Blue Jays Discussion: Vlad Jr wait/watch II: Watch Harder

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  1. phillipmike

    phillipmike Registered User

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    Before this move you had to make a 40 man roster move for Phelps. I guess there is little urgency now.

    And this 100%. Martin has been the ultimate professional and teammate and i would be very glad to pay that money and get what we got back to give him a better chance of winning a world series. Just a class act. The return was never going to be good for at best a 1b catcher/backup.
     
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    3B/SS/C and manager*
     
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    He was a great Mr. Manager.
     
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    I will give props to Shatkins for getting Rogers to eat money on Martin as they had no place to play him and they got back some warm bodies who may or may not make it but could be flipped down the line as filler in other deals.

    Rogers has stepped up by eat salary on Tulo and Martin. Now the books will be clear of all monies coming up next season and they can start to add talent around the kids.
     
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    dredeye BJ Elitist/Hipster

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    Can’t say I’m happy about the return if we’re eating that much salary. Man the jays are paying like 35 million for two players to play elsewhere crazy
     
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    Its funny - our infield depth earlier in the off-season went from;

    Vlad
    Gurriel
    Travis
    Diaz
    Drury
    Urena
    Tulo
    Solarte
    Martin

    To

    Vlad
    Gurriel
    Travis
    Drury
    Urena

    Went from 9ish guys for 5 spots to 5ish guys (4 if you dont count Vlad yet) for 5 spots. I wouldnt be surprised if the Jays added another middle infielder as Vlad wont start the season with the Jays. Need someone on a 1 year deal; a guy like a Asdrubal Cabrera, Forsythe, Harrison or Iglesias would be nice but i doubt we have enough playing time to get them. A Freddy Galvis, Alcides Escobar or even Solarte might have to be the aims.

    Jays are still currently starting vets at 6 of their 9 starting spots. The team is younger but still had leadership;

    C: Jansen
    1B: Smoak
    2B: Travis
    SS: Gurriel
    3B: Drury
    RF: Grichuk
    CF: Pillar
    LF: McKinney
    DH: Morales

    The number could easily go down to 1-2. Smoak, Travis, Drury, Pillar and Morales all can be moved or moved off their starting spots for someone in the system.
     
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    Those players aren't nothing. Then again, LA is actually going to use Martin.
     
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    Brito just missed FG's top 10 Dodgers prospect in July - he may be underwhelming but not everyone is down on him;

    Los Angeles Dodgers Top 10 Prospects Updated

    Before this ranking:
    DateGPAABRH2B3BHRRBIBBIBBSOHBPSHSFGDPSBCSBAOBPSLGOPSBAbip
    Jun 4 to Jul 15, 2018261039321328052380241011040.3440.3980.5910.9890.415
    per 162 games163642580131200500321445001507077025

    After this ranking:

    DateGPAABRH2B3BHRRBIBBIBBSOHBPSHSFGDPSBCSBAOBPSLGOPSBAbip
    Jul 18 to Sep 5, 201835159141193760632150541021120.2620.3330.4330.7660.373
    per 162 games162736653881722802814970025050105510

    So Brito did fall off quite a bit in the 2nd half.

    KATOH Projects: Super Deep Sleeper Prospects

     
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    Theres value in not having to deal with Tulo and Martin on this roster .who cares how much money Rogers is paying for them to "play elsewhere" . When you have a rotting foot, you cut it off and be done with it.
     
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    Ouch! That along with Tulo free money. It’s raining money in TO.
    Can’t say the Jays are cheap lol
     
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    3B, SS and 2B are 3 spots not 5. 4-5 guys in 3 spots is about as much as a team can field on a 25 man roster these days. There's not really any more room when you only have roster spots for a single extra catcher, infielder and outfielder. The problem in Toronto is 3 players who can only field at 1st base. One of Morales or Smoak has to go. Preferably Morales. Or maybe convince him to retire and hire him as a coach. I'd rather have Tellez and Hernandez occupying his spot in the order.

    Smoak, Pillar and Morales are the only players in that top 9 over the age of 28. Travis is 28, Drury 26, Grichuk 27. IMHO, players 28 and under aren't really "vets" as the term is used.
     
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    But many will
     
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    Usually teams have 2 bench spots allocated for middle infielders plus 3B protect; hence 5 roster spots... im talking spots not positions. I used my words carefully here.

    There is no real definition for the term "vet" in baseball so there shouldnt be any random cut off. But the actual definition of veteran speaks of someone's experience or service time not age.

    Im talking years of service not age. Because age isnt really indicative of anything, say Travis misses the 2019 season, so in 2020 he will be 29, does that make him a vet because of your random cut off of 28 years old even though he would have the same games played now as he would in 2020?

    Morales - 10.170 Service Time
    Smoak - 8.077 ST
    Pillar - 4.133 ST
    Grichuk - 4.033 ST
    Travis - 3.163 ST
    Drury 2.165 ST

    Having guys with experience around a young Jays team is important. Its the number of years and games they put into being a professional, not their age.
     
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    It's sad at how quickly the 2015 got dismantled. It sucks that the window was so small. It came together so quickly and got dismantled pretty quickly too. Just reminiscing about those summer days in 2015 and how exciting it was, how electric it was. Oh well, what can you do? I hope we can get back to legit contender status soon. Man, nothing better than a rocking dome during August, Sep, October. Gives me chills just thinking about it.
     
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    Wasn't that team the oldest in MLB? That cought up with them really quickly
     
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    Yea, everyone knew the window was short.
     
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    We should have won in 2015. Its too bad everything was going right for the Royals.
     
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    Yes it is. Its indicative of how long a typical player has before their physical abilities peak and begin to decrease. If you're 30+ that decline is coming a lot sooner than if your 26-28. That's why I don't think of players who won't hit 30 for 2-4 years 'vets' as yet. Vet to me is a player who is on the tail end of their career, not the heart.
     
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    I only meant for this season
     
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    That really was a fun run.
     
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    All Jays eligible for arb have agreed to new contracts with the exception of Tepera.
     
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    According to this MLB 2019 Payroll Tracker they are 25th overall in team payroll. Coming into last year they were eighth. Next year with Morales coming off, who has the highest salary now, and likely Smoak they will have a lot of room to sign FAs or trade for some pieces.

    This year they should identify needs and then go after targets in the off-season.
     
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