Blue Jays Discussion: Vlad Jr wait/watch II: Watch Harder

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  1. The Nemesis

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    continue from the last thread (it was over 1,000)
     
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    That’s a crazy story about them. Savages stealing from the dead.
     
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    I hope with the winter meetings fast approaching we see the jays make some noise. It’s been a slow role out so far
     
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    One-time Blue Jays AAA affiliate, the Las Vegas 51s, are renaming themselves as the "Las Vegas Aviators" as they swap parent clubs from the Mets to the A's.

    Minor league baseball team to be known as Las Vegas Aviators

    Too bad. With the Star Trek inspired font and fun logo, they were ahead of the curve on quirky MiLB team names. Now to see if maybe I can get a 51s cap on clearance before they vanish forever. EDIT: dammit. they're already sold out of my size.

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    You need to find yourself a snap back
     
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    I don't like snap-backs most of the time. They tend to be shallower than fitted caps and that means I can't pull it down onto my forehead like I want (I have a big head :laugh:)
     
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    Couldn’t agree more with you on fitted hats vs snap backs. Check lids, they still have all sizes in stock
     
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    Yeah, I plan to when I get home (at a whl game. It's teddy bear toss night)
     
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    I'm not a fan of them either but desperate times call for desperate measures.
     
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    #MeToo

    Big head bros high five!

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    Son of a *****. Lids had my size in those caps earlier tonight, and now that I get home to order one they've sold out.
     
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    I’d have interest in both.
     
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    I like Graveman as a buy-low whose value could increase really quickly if he pitches well when he comes back. I would like to see them take a chance on a two year deal for him.
     
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    Harold Baines is a Hall of Famer. Harold Baines. Seriously. He has 38.4 career fWAR and exactly one season where he surpassed 3.0 fWAR. He was a DH with a 119 wRC+ who played in the homeruningest era and never hit 30 in a season. He didn't reach any of the counting stat milestones associated with the Hall of Fame.

    The Hall of Fame has been a joke for a long time, but they've really stepped it up with this one.
     
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    I'm not sure why this would be an in case we trade one the them. We need pitching regardless
     
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    I know what you mean.

    Jays will have a lot of HoF players coming up if that’s the cut off.

    Tulowitzki - 38.3 WAR and 119 wRC+
    Martin - 37.4 WAR and 105 wRC+
    Donaldson - 36.5 WAR and 140 wRC+
    Bautista - 35.4 WAR and 126 wRC+
    Encarnacion - 31.3 WAR and 126 wRC+
     
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    Unless Happ’s price is ridiculous then I don’t know how all contenders aren’t after him. Would be a perfect 3-4 guy for any of the teams needing help in the rotation.

    Yankees, Astros, Phillies, Brewers, Dodgers, Braves, Cubs etc.

    Guy can bring you some stability with upside for 3 years or under.
     
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    So Harold Baines can get in, but not Larry frigging Walker.

    To wit:

    GP
    Baines: 2,830 (11,092 PA)
    Walker: 1,988 (8,030 PA)

    Hits
    Baines: 2,866
    Walker: 2,160

    HR
    Baines: 384
    Walker: 383

    RBI
    Baines: 1,628
    Walker: 1,355

    Slash Line (BA/OBP/SLG/OPS)
    Baines: .289/.356/.465/.820
    Walker: .313/.400/.565/.965

    SB
    Baines: 34 (50% success rate)
    Walker: 230 (75% success rate)

    Career fWAR
    Baines: 38.4
    Walker: 68.7

    Seasons with fWAR:
    Negative: Baines (3), Walker (1)
    0-1: Baines (3), Walker (0)
    1-3: Baines (14), Walker (3)
    3-5:
    Baines (2), Walker (7)
    5-7: Baines (0), Walker (4)
    7-9: Baines (0), Walker (1)
    >9: Biaines (0), Walker (1)


    Trophy case
    Baines: 6x All-Star, 1x WS, 1x Silver Slugger
    Walker: 5x All-Star, 1x NL MVP, 7x Gold Glove, 3x Silver Slugger, 3x MLB Batting Title, 1x NL HR title

    Baines counting stat leads are entirely down to longevity in large part because he spent so much of his career as a DH. But the fact that Walker played almost 1,000 fewer games in his career and yet was only behind him by 700 hits, 300 RBI and 1 HR makes Walker's career marks all the more impressive.

    Larry Walker was, for a time, one of the very best players in baseball and was one of the most complete players in baseball. Harold Baines was a very good DH who had some pretty OK seasons for a fairly long stretch of a lengthy career and who, it must be stressed, was still just primarily a DH because he was a tire fire in the field.

    Herpa derp derp HOF!
     
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    I was going to compare Baines to a bunch of other mediocre players, but there are just too many to choose from. Among the 1009 players with at least 5000 career plate appearances, Baines is tied for 291st in wRC+. That's not bad, but for a DH, it's pretty terrible. On the All-Time fWAR list, Jesse Barfield, Aramis Ramirez, and Gary Gaetti are just ahead of him and Placido Polanco, Ryan Zimmerman, and Troy Tulowitzki are directly behind him. Baines also took THOUSANDS more plate appearances to get there than each of those guys and more than twice as many as Barfield and Tulo.
     
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    Off the top if my head I can think of four non-Hall of Fame Blue Jays 1B/DH who have had more impressive careers than Baines.
     
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    Jays need to add pitching and preferably pitching that is under control. If there is anyway that we can strike a deal for Gray from the Rockies I would be all over it. They are in need of OF and middle infield help. Two areas that the Jays can assist.

    Maybe a deal around Pillar, Travis??? Two players that would definitely excel in the friendly confines of Colorado. If they are looking for younger players we have those as well in the middle infield. Drury? Urena? Smith? Biggio? or in the OF with Alford, McKinney.

    He would be a great pickup.
     
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