Discussion in 'Buffalo Sabres' started by Woodhouse, Jun 28, 2014.
You have to give something to get something and in this case they got very good return with Joki.
Now he has to contribute some 5v5 scoring because the PP will go through dry spells. His low 5v5 playing time last night in the 3rd shows Ralph is aware of this.
When do opposing teams start giving him some form of the Ovi treatment on the PP.
You can hope he signs early, but I think he bet on him selves, 1 line 1 pp! Could 5 years at 4m be possible after a 60 p season?, i think so because only 1 season to show for and in great environment! If he goes arbitration it would/could end up 1m more!
Immediately, but the triangle is strong. Also, don't let Jack shoot or make a cross ice pass. And oh yeah, don't let Dahlin dangle you...
Columbus did a bit, but that was more so when he held onto the puck because he's the weakest link in the umbrella as far as moving the puck around.
Like I said before, I don't see how they can. Focusing on him means leaving Eichel open. Such a good problem to have.
Can't really shadow him that hard when you've also got Eichel and Skinner's shots to worry about. That's why our PP is so lethal IMO--too many shooting threats to contain, and with a great QB at the top of the umbrella in Dahlin.
Right...that's the kind of deal I'm hoping they sign him to. We need to find a couple of value contracts to mix in with our higher paid guys. We'll have the cap space after this year to take a calculated risk like this. If he gets 35-40 Goals this year, there's no way we get him for that cheap however. Either way, he's going to be a hugely important piece going forward, as he automatically makes our PP significantly more dangerous. Botterill will need to push for the longer term deal here and get this guy locked in through his prime.
They have also found ways to make that sweet, sweet cross-seam pass below the high PKer and the low guys in the diamond. They've worked it in both directions and it opens up someone who can rip the puck on their forehand from either side. Right now VO is benefitting from having Jack find him more often, but we've seen it run both ways.
That's exactly how the GWG happened, with Miller feeding Mojo.
Yep, both of MJ's PPG's are on that play going from left to right. Eichel IIRC has one coming back across and they've had a number of really good looks from that pass as well. When they shut down one, it will open up the other. And when they play out to both, the high man and the bump are going to have a real interesting time with some open lanes to the net.
Yup, that's exactly it. As soon as the PKers get drawn off to one side, the guy opposite him is open, and both VO and Eichel are good at moving to create seams (VO generally moving to make one for Eichelt to pass through, as you mentioned, but still moving to make it happen). And if that seam doesn't open up, you just go back to Dahlin at the point and work it from there. And if you never find that one-timer? Well, good thing you have Reinhart giving the goalie a hard time on shots from anywhere. It's a killer unit.
And Skinner lurking like a tiny rebound shark, sliding around the base of the setup. I'm waiting for the units to draw further up the slot at which point that bang-bang low 2-on-1 play will be a "thing" again between Reinhart and Skinner low against the remaining defenseman. And the backhand to forehand draw play that ROR was so good at that Reinhart has scored a few on as well.
As someone mentioned in another thread, outskate people and they will draw calls. VO on the first unit continuing to work is awesome. I'd love him to set the record for PPG to start a career... and then settle into ripping up some 5-on-5 goals. He's had a number of really nice opportunities -- that feed in the low slot from Reinhart would've been a pretty, pretty play last night. I know people were bagging on Sam for not shooting, but he had VO on his forehand in a super dangerous spot. I think he will start popping some at even strength and that will mitigate the d-zone learning moments.
Had no idea he's this good. 9 points in 10 career nhl games so far. Pretty solid
What do y'all think of VO in 5on5?
We know how great of a shot he has and how he's been on the PP. But wonder if he's a liability on the 1st line. Doesn't seem like he can keep up with Sam and Jack
I’d keep him there and give him more time to adjust to the rigors of top line duty. He is a rookie, after all, and I’m sure he’s learning a lot game to game.
If he has 2 ES points in the next 10 games, then sure. Consider a change.
He struggling at times 5v5 but I don’t see any other left wing option that would make sense. Don’t want Skinner away from Mojo or Girgs away from LOG. You could move Vesey in is spot but I’d rather not.
I think his 5v5 issues are mostly along the boards in the o-zone when there's not much space. He is just a little too slow to move the puck at times and gets stuck once a guy is on him.
I still like the idea of going back to 53-9-x.
And then maybe 68-90-23
If no one can produce in that top rw spot trade them and give pommer a call
Those are the combos that I'd like to see as well, but I'm not in a huge rush to see changes until we drop a couple games. So far we're winning while they're getting acclimated to the new systems and Ralph's coaching style. I've also wondered if VO might be better off in a sheltered role next to Mitts at 5 on 5.