Discussion in 'Detroit Red Wings' started by Hammettf2b, Mar 8, 2018.
We can stop blaming Blashill or the roster or Ken Holland.
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I never said only one guy needs criticism in the press. But Mantha's decision making and effort on those two goals was awful. And concerning.
That doesn't change that there's a lot of guys on big contracts who should be doing more. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If Zetterberg or anyone went over all the things that are wrong with this team it would be an hour long conversation instead of a post game soundbite. Last night Mantha made two terrible plays that ended up in the back of his net. It's not surprising that was foremost in his mind. Especially the half assed pokecheck attempt to break up ice.
Z is busting his ass every night trying to carry the team on his 37 year old back. It's no wonder he's pissed when he sees an effort like that from a young guy.
Let's not forget that Mantha gave the prior game away in OT too in a very "poke and pray" kind of way.
It's not a coincidence that we started the year well when mantha was producing first line numbers and looking dominant, and have struggled from game 20 and onward, which is when manthas production dropped below half a point per game
How is 30-35 points fine at 4.25 million a year?
Nielsen is even worse.
Helm is trash too.
All three of those players were signed with the belief that they would continue to help the Wings make the playoffs. Obviously common sense should have prevailed and none of those players should be on this team, but this organization has lacked common sense for a very long time.
4.25M is 2nd/3rd line tweener money nowadays WW
Abby is producing at .5 ppg this season. Nothing to complain about... I mean term, but he's not a piece of garbage hockey player.
With help from Larkin, who chipped the puck into the ref and turned it over, and then didn't cover his man, the goal scorer.
I am not sure he is on many teams second line outside of a few games do to injury
I am not sure he is on many teams power play either
I am not sure he would get a seven year deal with a NTC either
I;m tired of the hero worship.
Z wants to call out Mantha? Fine.
That was a pretty pointed criticism of one guy on the team.
Never seen him do that before.
Z needs to man up and point criticism at other guys too.
Or else he's just a useless hypocrite.
Consistency matters with accountability.
You hold EVERYONE accountable, or nobody.
It really is a benchmark for awful shortsighted contracts.
Z busts his ass every night. It's not hero worship, it's leadership.
I'm not sure why this has struck such a nerve with you. It was one comment in one post game interview after having to give endless explanations as to why this team is losing. And Mantha's mistakes were egregious.
Can we take a step back and realize that Zetterberg criticized a style of lazy hockey, not "Mantha"?
Maybe... follow me here... Maybe, Mantha has a problem that pretty much everyone knows about except for a couple of posters in an internet forum. It does kind of explain the evidence... Just saying...
He was talking about Mantha.
Nobody is saying Mantha doesn't have a problem.
I'm proud of the fact that I worship Z
Nobody is saying that Mantha didn't have a game worth criticizing. It's that, after a season where lots of players suck, and lots of players show lack of effort, but only some of the kids get ripped for it... Once again, only some of the kids get ripped for it.
Had there been even the rare occasion of taking some of the other guys to task, I could say it's fine to just hammer Mantha on this particular game. But guys like Green and Helm and even Larkin get free passes they don't deserve, after boneheaded plays they should be able to handle just fine.
If only we played AA 30 minutes per game we would surely be undefeated and win the cup considering his icetime is NEVER cut due to bad performance.
We are obviously not privvy to what's going on in the locker room but it certainly seems like Mantha has more of an attitude problem than the others that get mentioned.
I don't disagree about players sucking. I think Helm has been particularly bad this year. As for lack of effort the first names that leap to mine are Mantha, AA (though he's improved), and Green.
I think the reality is that veterans do get a pass to a certain extent. Helm has been bad but he's proven he's an NHL caliber player. I'm assuming they go over game video of mistakes but as maddening as he's been to watch this season I doubt anyone needs to tell Helm to work harder. And with Green it's so tied into his game you might as well get mad at Nyquist for not being a foot taller.
Mantha has played 42 games in the NHL. He's still learning what it means to be an every day NHL hockey player, and in a tough season where you lose a lot and you've got no chance of making the playoffs. I thought it was bizarre when Devellano trashed Mantha before he'd even played a game as a Red Wing, but clearly there's a problem there and one that needs correcting.
Maybe Z didn't need to call him out like that, but I'm guessing he was super pissed and is sick of losing. And based on his comments it sounds like it wasn't just the lack of effort but that it was Mantha caring only about himself and his stats. He tried to dispy doodle on the PP, coughed up the puck and then stood there and watched. Then he made a half-assed poke check hoping to get up ice on a breakaway and the puck ended up in his net.
It's beyond lack of effort. It's quitting on the game.
I think 18 is just about right.
Here's how it is now. vs How I'd like it
The rest of the season.
Larkin 19:46 vs 19:30
Zetterberg 19:44 vs 17:00
Nyquist 18:04 vs 16:30
Mantha 17:17 vs 18:00
Abdelkader 16:46 vs 16:00
Nielsen 15:40 vs 16:00
Athanasiou 15:39 vs 18:00
Helm 15:33 vs 15:00
Bertuzzi 13:27 vs 15:00
Frk 10:20 vs 13:00
You all want to finish in the toilet while getting nothing tangible for it? Be my guess. Keep using Z 20 minutes a game.
Keep using Nyquist, same number of points as AA in 30 percent more minutes, even though he's a UFA and likely trade bait next year.
I mean, fine, if you're ready to move on from AA, that's your call.
But playing him 12-13 minutes a night like we've seen recently is dumb.
So you're defending the idea that veterans get a free ride.
Accountability means **** to you.
You want to talk about quitting on the game - there was no greater example of that then Mike Green on the second goal.
Blame Mantha all day for the turnover - because it was bad.
But Mike Green flat out quit.
At least Mantha, on that "poke and hope" play was trying to make a play.
Not trying to make the right, obviously. But downtown 2-0, he was trying to generate offense.
Green was sleepwalking.
One of these days, people are going to realize that the major problem of this team isn't the 23-24 year olds.
Then again, maybe not.
What? Move on from AA? What does his icetime have to do with that? You’re making zero sense to be honest.
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