Prospect Info: Vasili Podkolzin, Pt. III

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  1. Nosskire ot Elgaeb Im SOUR for Owen POWER

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    Last Podz thread WAY over 1000 posts, time to open a new one. Heres a link to the last one

    Prospect Info: - Vasili Podkolzin, Pt. II

    Here are some KEY posts from the last thread

    And now this

     
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    Nice summary. Not sure if further discussion could really add anything of value.
     
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    I think that having two concurrent threads is a bit vasilly.
     
  4. 50 Sheas of Grey Pettersson for Selke

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    Why do you capitalize random words all the time?
     
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    Why DONT you?
     
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    why dont YOU
     
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    i just DID
     
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    FAIR enough, good CHAP.
     
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  9. 2011 still hurts imagine posting on a hockey forum

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    great thread
     
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  10. Nosskire ot Elgaeb Im SOUR for Owen POWER

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    6ix months til Podz is wearing a Nucks jersey

    cant wait :yo:

    Miller Pettersson Boeser
    Eriksson Horvat Roussell
    Podz Gaudette Pearson
    Motte Sutter Virtanen
     
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    Podkolzin Podkolzin Podkolzin
    Podkolzin Podkolzin Podkolzin
    Podkolzin Podkolzin Podkolzin
    Podkolzin Podkolzin Podkolzin

    :yo:
     
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    Hey what about rednalgoH sliN?
     
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    Could be, will have to force one of those guys out PLUS push out Macewan and maybe Ferland
     
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    This may be the worst projected Canucks ROSTER I have EVER seen
     
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    O yeah I forgot about Beagle
     
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    The last post is the only one that has a randomly capitalized word. The others kinda make sense.
     
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    This guy needs a video. A lowlight video, you might say. Let's see how his actions turn opportunity into a disappointing stat line.
     
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    I just found out about this

     
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    @Luckylarry

    What has Pod shown since the summer tournament before his draft season that projects him to 30/30. 30 players in the league last year posted a 25/25, only 12 were wingers. I don't see Podkolzin being a top 30 producing NHLer. I'm not sure you understand how rare a 30/30 winger is.

    I have hopes Pod proves himself a really good player for Vancouver, but thinking you're going to get 30/30 seems absolute baseless at this point. I think even 20/20 is a stretch. His shot doesn't look even average at this point.
     
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    Pods is a Bracket pick. He’s going to be a Calder finalist. 30/30, big body, hard to play against, PK, and a great 200 foot game.
     
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    Being reasonable... I was thinking the same thing. Seeing a guarantee like the following is exceedingly optimistic...
    "Pods is a full time, 200 foot player, who will put up 30/30 ... and PK, and be a total pain in the ass heavy body to play against... more a Matthew [Tkatchuk]"

    He is not getting consistent minutes on his KHL team - realistically, if he becomes a gritty defensive winger in the NHL who puts up 30 points/year, that is a win.

    Having said that, I like Podkolzin as a prospect. Obviously, I hope he becomes a 100 point power forward. And he could exceed expectations, but it would be a welcomed surprise.
     
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    Can you find any player, from the KHL, who has this much trouble producing that’s turned into a 30/30 player ?

    Or with a similar P/60 at least?

    I am genuinely curious because Podz seems to have a lot of the intangibles, but no shot/finish. Not such how to project him to be anything more than an energy guy rn.
     
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    Not much to talk about when it comes to this prospect. Solid prospect with good all around skills, however lacks the shot to produce. Is a pass first winger who understands that his shot needs work and probably why he's based his game around his passing. Unless he's rushing down the wing, Podkolzin is never looking for ways to get the puck in the net and that's due to his lack of shot. Needs to develop it to have any hope of being a top 9 player in the NHL. Sometimes helps when prospects get to the NHL as you have help from some of the best in the world. Everybody can discuss his odds based on point totals but why not speak about the player in detail, as the reason for every player failing or making it are for different reasons, those specific reasons have different odds. A player's shot improving to passable (while over excelling in other areas) is much more likely than somebody who is one dimensional, undersized, plays passively, not driven, etc.

    He's still very much a project due to his shot and will be limited to a 3-4th liner unless it improves. Personally would have no problem picking him that high up again, simply based on the upside. Getting players like Tkachuk who have the body and strength, as well as the tools is a special treat.

    Honestly I am quite shocked how little his shot is spoken about on boards or by media. Despite it being his glaring flaw. I believe it's because people see him getting off a decent shot now and then, it means he has a good shot but any player can get a good shot off here and there when theyre shooting enough pucks. To have a passable shot, you need to consistently shoot above a certain level
     
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    @VNCVR People think he's got a great shot and is a goal scorer due to his scoring 8 goals during the Ivan Hlinka in his draft year (all the way back in the summer of 2018!).

    Since then, he hasn't had enough exposure for the non scouting fans/media to see he's never been a 1 shot scorer. However, you'd think after the last WJC (where he showed off his real game/style of play) people would've caught on, but nope...some still see 30 goal upside at the NHL level which Podkolzin hasn't shown a hint of in the last 2 years.

    For me, Podkolzin's potential has been that of a two-way posession monster who provides strong secondary scoring in a top 6 role. I think he projects as a 20G/50pt guy who can play on both special teams (likely 2nd PP), and is trusted in important situations by the coaching staff. The winger version of Antoine Vermette would be a good outcome imo.
     
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    I see him having 20g/70pt potential if every single thing went right. His vision when it comes to passing is pretty good, anybody suggesting 30 hasn't truly analyzed his shot, you don't suddenly go from having a poor shot to a 30g shot in the nhl. When I say he needs to get his shot to a passable level, I say that because he needs more than passing in his arsenal to be a solid top 6, you need to be able to finish off a regular play or the coach will put a player there that can get more out of the line.

    As far as his KHL totals, when passing is your only offensive strength, you aren't in control of your point totals and when youre on the 4th line of a KHL team, it might not be the right pieces on his line to truly capitalize on the type of plays he wants to make. There is truth in that higher levels are actually easier for certain types of players and certain positions. You see it with defenders saying that they find playing in the NHL actually much easier than the AHL, simply based on the structure and knowing that you can rely on them being there in their position and the skill to execute on what you are trying to direct. This could very well be the case for players in limited minutes in the KHL.

    But yes, I would say 20g/50pt as of now is the most likely spot he lands because I do think they will work with him on his shot and have him focus on it.
     
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