Vanek was offered to Leafs

Patty Lee

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I personally believe Kulemin is a poor substitute for Moulson.

as much as I love Kulemin, Moulson is a much more of an offensive threat. Look at his pure-offensive numbers, and it blows Kulemin out of the water. Though to a championship team, I'd take Kulemin due to his physicality, mentality and work ethic.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't have wanted Vanek. We have a solid team, and it is only going to cost our team (in terms of current chemistry) if we gave up someone that's on our roster. In terms of prospects though, it might've costed us even more, simply because prospects are prospects.

All in all, it's a good move that they did not trade Vanek (I did not even mention his cap hit and his "desire" to play for the Wild).
that is what I was thinking when I read the first few posts. the 2 aren't comparable.

MM has actually outscored TV in the last 3 years. scary to think what TV may do now with JT
 

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No, he just plainly doesn't. We can look at hockeydb you know.

Check it out yourself, shocked aren't you?.

Matt Moulson

2009-10 = 30 goals
2010-11 = 31 goals
2011-12 = 36 goals
2012-13 = 47 games 15 goals
2013-14 = 12 games 8 goals

Total = 120 goals

Phil Kessel goals (same time period) = (30, 32, 37, 20, 7) goals

Total = 126 goals

Phil Kessel +6 goals over past 5 seasons. Reason in lockout year 2012-13 Kessel scored 20 verses Moulson 15, otherwise other 4 years combined they are virtually equal.
 
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Check it out yourself, shocked aren't you?.

Matt Moulson

2009-10 = 30 goals
2010-11 = 31 goals
2011-12 = 36 goals
2012-13 = 47 games 15 goals
2013-14 = 12 games 8 goals

Total = 120 goals

Phil Kessel goals (same time period) = (30, 32, 37, 20, 7) goals

Total = 126 goals

Phil Kessel +5 goals over past 5 seasons. Reason in lockout year 2012-13 Kessel scored 20 verses Moulson 15, otherwise other 4 years combined they are equal.

Remember assists?

PPG:

2009-10 Kessel: 0.786 Moulson: 0.585
2010-11 Kessel: 0.780 Moulson: 0.646
2011-12 Kessel: 1.000 Moulson: 0.841
2012-13 Kessel: 1.083 Moulson: 0.936
2013-14 Kessel: 1.167 Moulson: 0.917

2009-14 Kessel: 0.908 Moulson: 0.738
 

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Check it out yourself, shocked aren't you?.

Matt Moulson

2009-10 = 30 goals
2010-11 = 31 goals
2011-12 = 36 goals
2012-13 = 47 games 15 goals
2013-14 = 12 games 8 goals

Total = 120 goals

Phil Kessel goals (same time period) = (30, 32, 37, 20, 7) goals

Total = 126 goals

Phil Kessel +6 goals over past 5 seasons. Reason in lockout year 2012-13 Kessel scored 20 verses Moulson 15, otherwise other 4 years combined they are virtually equal.

Mess, c'mon. Are we really goign to compare Moulson and Kessel? I mean besides clutch performance, playing w/o an elite centre and assists- do you really think any NHL GM would trade Kessel+1st+2nd for Vanek??
 

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Remember assists?

What about them?

I said "Matt Moulson scores at a Phil Kessel type pace on a regular basis".

A player scores a goal when he puts the puck in the net, and he gets an assist when a teammate does.

I was talking about Moulson's goal scoring ability not his teammates nor point production comparison.
 

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What about them?

I said "Matt Moulson scores at a Phil Kessel type pace on a regular basis".


Scoring is a term that applies to scoring points, which is why the Art Ross Trophy is referred to as the scoring title and not the Richard Trophy.

If you meant goal scoring, then you are correct, Moulson and Kessel have scored a similar amount of goals over the past 5 years, but as usual, you leave out or ignore facts that don't fit your agenda or in order to get a reaction.
 

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Moulson is so under rated. I'm excited to see what he can do with out Tavares.

You mean excited to see his numbers drop considerably? I mean playing on the wing with Jonathan Tavares is one thing. Playing on the wing with Steve Ott or Cody Hodgson is quite another. Not saying that he will disappear, but he certainly isn't scoring 30 goals a season in Buffalo with that roster.
 

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Agreed. Even though Vanek isn't what we need, he's clearly a great player and in a NON-CAP world you make this deal.

Problem being... in the cap world we live in assets like picks are more valuable AND Vanek would have been a strict rental as they would have certainly no room to keep him beyond this year (unless, I guess, they let Phaneuf walk).

But would have been pretty neat ;)

JVR-Kadri-Kessel
Lupul-Bolland-Vanek
Raymond-Bozak-Clarkson
Mclaren-Mcclement-Orr

Damn that'd have been 4 1st ling wingers in our top 6.

Check it out yourself, shocked aren't you?.

Matt Moulson

2009-10 = 30 goals
2010-11 = 31 goals
2011-12 = 36 goals
2012-13 = 47 games 15 goals
2013-14 = 12 games 8 goals

Total = 120 goals

Phil Kessel goals (same time period) = (30, 32, 37, 20, 7) goals

Total = 126 goals

Phil Kessel +6 goals over past 5 seasons. Reason in lockout year 2012-13 Kessel scored 20 verses Moulson 15, otherwise other 4 years combined they are virtually equal.

Kessel with JT would be getting 40-50 a season.
 

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JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Vanek - Kadri - Lupul
Raymond - Bolland - Clarkson
Ashton - McClement - Orr
McLaren

:laugh: My god how awesome that would have been
 

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JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Vanek - Kadri - Lupul
Raymond - Bolland - Clarkson
Ashton - McClement - Orr
McLaren

:laugh: My god how awesome that would have been

Followed with

Gunnarsson - Franson
Rielly - Fraser
Gardiner - Ranger

Because, you know Vanek's contract isn't anywhere similar to Kulemin's.
 

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Followed with

Gunnarsson - Franson
Rielly - Fraser
Gardiner - Ranger

Because, you know Vanek's contract isn't anywhere similar to Kulemin's.

EDM was willing to retain salary, we would have been fine. Send Liles their way as well.

It was hypothetical as well, calm down
 

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Scoring is a term that applies to scoring points, which is why the Art Ross Trophy is referred to as the scoring title and not the Richard Trophy.

If you meant goal scoring, then you are correct, Moulson and Kessel have scored a similar amount of goals over the past 5 years, but as usual, you leave out or ignore facts that don't fit your agenda or in order to get a reaction.

It's amazing he even needs to be told **** like this.
 

Raymondo316

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Ehrhoff and Myers are the only two pieces I would ever want from Buffalo.
I wouldnt touch Myers with his albatross of a contract

5 more years after this one with a cap hit of 5.5 million :shakehead

Hes been ''regressing'' ever since his great rookie season

Yes he may turn it around.....But at this point hes a huge risk with that type of contract
 

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Scoring is a term that applies to scoring points, which is why the Art Ross Trophy is referred to as the scoring title and not the Richard Trophy.

If you meant goal scoring, then you are correct, Moulson and Kessel have scored a similar amount of goals over the past 5 years, but as usual, you leave out or ignore facts that don't fit your agenda or in order to get a reaction.

Nobody implies "scoring points" when they say "scores". If he meant scoring points than he would have said scoring points. However, he said scores.

"Who scored?"

"Umm Kessel has two assists, Lupul has 1..."

"....yes but who scored?"

Definitely no correlation.
 

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Moulsons numbers are probably gonna drop a bit, he's more like a 20 goal scorer without Tavares to feed him all the time.

definitely a skilled guy, but he's a downgrade for sure from vanek, who's pretty much a PPG guy.

good move by NYI if they can keep him, horrific if he walks(I'd imagine he doesn't, whens the last time there was a big trade like this and the guy walked? not talking an out of prime guy like Iginla).
 

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