If that isn't lotto protected, WPG takes that and runs. Van isn't going anywhere this year also I'm not sure Trouba is going to resign there (or anywhere in Canada for that matter )
Proposal: Vancouver Canucks-Winnipeg Jets ("A Hockey Trade")
- Thread starter Horse McHindu
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What makes Tanev so valauble?
Hes never had more than 20pts in a season and has never played a full season in 8 years.
Im not dissing him. Im just curious as to why ppl think hes worth so much on here?
Always Tanev for Trouba or Nylander.
Hes never had more than 20pts in a season and has never played a full season in 8 years.
Im not dissing him. Im just curious as to why ppl think hes worth so much on here?
Always Tanev for Trouba or Nylander.
If he was healthy , he would be extremely valuable because hes one of the premier shut down dmen in the league. Because he gets injured, is the reason why you hear him in trades. If he wasnt injured he would be unavailable.
Hes never hit 20 points because of his injuries.
Besides, the first rounder is the most valuable piece in this trade, not Tanev or Trouba.
If it was just Tanev and something else this would obviously be locked instantly. Its that first rounder who should be argued vs Trouba. Tanev is worth approx the winnipeg late first.
Thing is he is always injured. So to base trades of what his potential would be if he was healthy doesnt really work. Considering hes never healthy.
Easily solved. Make the first conditional on games played then. That way, if he plays a set number of games, hes worth it, if not then hes not worth it.
Tanev for Conditional first is fair value.
Trouba for Canucks first should be compared instead. Id be very surprised if the Canucks fall outside of the bottom 2/3. If they stick there, they would have a cost controlled high pick for years. That player that they draft in next years draft would be 7! years younger than Trouba. If Trouba does not decide to stay in winnipeg, the 18 year old cost controlled top 3 pick >>> 1 year of Trouba
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The thing with Tanev is he's always injured because he has to make up for the shortcomings of this team, I really believe that if he played for a decent team this would be different, not to mention
the amount of freak injuries he has had. Just my opinion.
I'm done trying to explain things to someone who doesn't understand how hockey works. It's mind boggling that you don't understand top 10 picks aren't the most valuable thing in the NHL, bud.
Josepho
i want the bartkowski thread back
a top 10 pick sure as hell is more valuable to the canucks than a jacob trouba who doesn't want to sign with the team he's currently on
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I am not sure either team does this but I think the Jets would do this more.
Why not upgrade your pick for a guy that doesn't want to here.
Why not upgrade your pick for a guy that doesn't want to here.
Flyerfan52
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In that case pospone the trade until after the lottery.
Then it becomes Trouba for that unprotected 1st rounder (whatever it ends up being whether 1st OA or 10th) & Tanev for either a 1st or 2nd in 2020 based on games played.
That seems to meet all the conditions you mention. Trouba is a steal for a 1st outside top 3 while even a very late 1st is too much for Tanev if he again can only play about 1/2 the season (even the 2nd would be high for a guy that would be the 3rd RD on a better team). @ least by the end of the year Tanev & his 4.3 could be released to free up cap the Jets will badly need. On the Canucks Tanev is top 4D by default while on the Jets he'd be expensive depth.
The trade would never happen. The first is untouchable for anything realistic. Trouba isn't enough to pull the trigger. I was only talking based on comparing value.
And lol@ a second being too high for Tanev. There's not a single team in the league that wouldn't do that trade.
Yes, there is. Winnipeg wouldn't do it, since Tanev isn't needed. So, there is at least one.
Winnipeg would easily ship a second for Tanev. Don't talk about winning now if you aren't even willing up to give a second for Tanev. That's a steal
Nope. Not a chance. Why waste a pick to acquire a player in your deepest position? Especially when he isn't an upgrade on anyone.
He would easily play the toughest minutes on the pk and on even strength. He would play 19-20 minutes a game no matter what team he was on. Don't act like you have the most stacked D in the league. "3rd pairing " is meaningless. It's about how you use the pairings. Some top d pairings play 27 minutes and the 3rd pairing plays 12-14. Some teams have all 6 d men play more than 17 and no one plays more than 23. He would get a lot of ice time on the Jets.
No matter how much you don't want to believe it. Tanev is an unneeded, unwanted player in Winnipeg. Good teams don't make trades for the hell of it, or waste assets acquiring players they have no use for. If they were giving away Tanev for free or a 6th or something and it wouldn't cause cap problems, sure. Other than that, feel free to peddle Tanev elsewhere.
A second is not worth a lot at all. Especially for a contending team. It would be poor asset management to not make that trade. Every team could use a healthy Tanev. Im sure you are in the minority here.
You are correct, it would be poor asset management to waste a pick on a player you don't need. We're in agreement. We're done.
Flyerfan52
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Healthy. That's the problem.
You can't write his name on the lineup sheet in ink as there is a good chance he'll be injured.
Also, teams that draft well use even their 2nd rounders to keep the pipeline full. That is asset management. Not adding a 4.45 contractfor a player you don't need when adequate depth on teams with a top end 4 D-man like the Jets & Preds carries a cap of 1.5 or less also counts as asset management.
Take a look @ what properly run teams do. Rather than use a scatter gun approach or reward players for past glory moves are made & contracts signed with an eye to both the present & future.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Fat chance of Trouba ever committing long term with Vancouver, His Dad is banned from entering Canada. Pretty sure that's why he's hesitant to resign back with Winnipeg.
His dad sat behind me at a playoff game in Winnipeg last year. I don't think that rumour is true.
Winnipeg on the west coast? Do you even map, bro? 90pluspercent sure that no major city in the westen hemisphere is further from any coast than Winnipeg.
