Vancouver Canucks COVID-19 Breakout (No unrelated covid talk)

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  1. LT Dan Undocumented User

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    It's rarely that black and white.

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    You need to do some research on the P1 Variant. It is making people 20-39 very sick and putting an alarming number of them in ICU. This variant is far different from the first covid, nothing to take lightly.

    The BC government needs to do the opposite of fear mongering with the biggest outbreak outside Brazil, which is get more serious.

    Maybe also research the situatuion in Brazil.
     
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    Not individuals. The profession.

    You can't lump professional athletes in with health care, paramedics, police, people who manufacture food, firefighters, grocery store workers, hydro workers, teachers etc. Those are professions that need to continue. Professional sports is a luxury, not grocery stores.

    As such, if you are basing it off of professions rather than age, it's those workers who should get vaccinated first (some have, but not all), not professional athletes. I don't see how you can take the attitude you are taking.

    Therefore, if professional sports want to continue, then that's up to them. However, they should not jump over those other groups to get their vaccinations first. If they shut down tomorrow, I'll be sad, but it won't dramatically affect people. If hospitals shut down, if food supply issues arise. If all grocery stores shut down, if there is a fire and firefighters don't come, if the power goes out and nobody fixes it. Those are issues that cost lives. Those are issues that affect people more than a game not being played.

    Just because I watch hockey, doesn't mean I think they should get vaccinated before essential workers. I watch movies too. It doesn't mean I think actors should skip the line. I enjoy hockey, I don't put hockey players on a pedestal and think they are better than everyone.
     
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    Not really relevant to my point, which was specifically about the Sabres. However, very precise numbers you've given:

    https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...wksf-covid-19-p1-variant-of-concern.pdf?la=en

     
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    So it's okay for you to benefit off of hockey players putting their lives at risk, and that's their choice, and you, as someone who has benefited, see no responsibility? Quite the display of mental gymnastics here.

    The hockey players play hockey, because of the fans. If you're going to have credibility on the subject, you have to admit your own part in the players returning to play.
     
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    Not going to get into this, as per the mods rules, but if you actually dig into the facts, you'll see why the Ontario government is stating it's not conclusive that P1 is more dangerous. Here's a hint, the area they are using to gauge the deadliness of the P1 variant, an economically disadvantaged region of Brazil, also had a total collapse of their medical system and was unable to actually perform Covid tests on most of their fatalities.

    As for the Canucks players, the reports are that they are all recovering quickly and have excellent medical care, it's highly unlikely that any will die.
     
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    Just stop. I don't know what the "tyee" is but if we're going to continue being paranoid about every "variant" of covid we hear about, we may as well cease to exist. Life is short, try to enjoy it instead of fearing to experience it.
     
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    I think focusing entirely on the bolded outcome to say things should be fine ignores the fact that there are other serious, even if not fatal, outcomes that could still affect these players long term even if it doesn't come to something so dire as the above.
     
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    Youre comparing a sports risks to a highly-contagious viral strain

    I wont even entertain the discussion; you should be ashamed
     
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    You are correct. Things could happen. However, current reports are that all players are recovering or recovered.

    We don't even know how many players have even tested positive:

    We don't even know if it's actually P1:

    NHL expresses concern about Vancouver Canucks' COVID-19 situation - TSN.ca
     
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    So I can't watch hockey unless I agree that they should be vaccinated before essential workers? I guess I'll tune out. Have a nice day.
     
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    They should be vaccinated because they travel across provinces constantly and can't wear a mask while they work.

    The criteria should be what kind of disease vector they could be, not the tired ass "well they make lots of money so they shouldn't be ahead of others".

    Grocery store clerk is not travelling to 3 provinces in a week.
     
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    And sometimes when you get in bed.
     
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    I’m talking about player overall health and safety. Playing hockey itself is many times more dangerous for players than Covid.
     
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    So much speculation here.

    As far as I've seen factually reported...

    -We don't know if anyone is actually on an IV
    -We don't know if it is infact the P1 varient
    -We don't know how many players have covid, we only know how many are in protocol.

    If I'm wrong on any account, I will willingly stand corrected
     
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    im pretty sure its more contagious. like the norovirus on a cruise ship. with same symptoms. like vomiting and pissing out your ass.
    usually fine after a couple days but often get dehydrated.
     
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    True since Heart inflammation is one possible side affect of covid and at least two nhl players are dealing with that now after having the original variant of covid
     
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    They are in contact with at least x1000 more people a day.
     
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    While that can be true, you still dont put that out there because one is a risk of injury and one is a risk of death, and has taken the lives of many in this country and others

    hockey hasnt killed almost three million people. Its just not a comparison to be making about a matter that has real and consequential involvement
     
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    Well, there's a lot less people playing hockey. And people do sometimes die playing hockey. I'd be interested to see if the death rate playing professional hockey is higher than the covid death rate for people 40 and under.

    Covid has killed something like 7 people 40 and under in BC (who were all REMARKABLY ill before they even got coivd). It's killed ZERO people 20 and under.

    Does this new p1 really affect young people more? Not really known as of now. I, personally, am not letting the fear mongering get to me.
     
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    The amount of money they make has never been in any of my posts, but nice attempt to deflect.

    They knew the situation when they agreed to play. If them being a disease vector was that bad that it was a public health concern, then they never should have been granted approval. In fact, that was part of the NHL's story to get approval is that they weren't a danger to public health.

    The situation was clear when they agreed to start that they weren't going to get vaccinated. This was known before the season started. They agreed to start the season anyway. It's not a blame thing, but they don't get to jump ahead of the line because it didn't work out.
     
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    Who decides what "the line" is? You?

    They are a small group of people but vaccinating them can protect potential community spread. They are doing a service to the general public by giving entertainment, unless you think locking people inside for a year plus on shitty Netflix movies and then acting dumb struck that people want to go out was some big surprise.
     
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