Vancouver Canucks COVID-19 Breakout (No unrelated covid talk)

[Lt Dan]

Or that you can’t keep down things by mouth in which case you’d be dehydrated anyways. No report claimed that they were hospitalized so why would they be getting IV meds? Team docs aren’t gonna be bringing remdesivir to their houses

It's rarely that black and white.

Some medicines work better via IV, some work best on a drip or constant dose

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[Cupless44]

Lots of players from all sports have had Covid and the vast vast majority of them recover to 100% perfectly fine. Most don’t even notice they had it.

Enough of this fear mongering

edit:meant to reply to @tom leafers

You need to do some research on the P1 Variant. It is making people 20-39 very sick and putting an alarming number of them in ICU. This variant is far different from the first covid, nothing to take lightly.

The BC government needs to do the opposite of fear mongering with the biggest outbreak outside Brazil, which is get more serious.

Maybe also research the situatuion in Brazil.

 

[Cupless44]

The Sabres have had 9 players on Covid protocol. All are back with the team now:

Sabres have zero players on Covid protocol list for first time since Feb. 1

Again, they didnt have the variant. P1 is 2.6 times more transmissable than Covid and 56% more deadly.

 

[kcin94]

You could say this about anyone. It's their choice to continue working....

What happens to an NHL players careers who doesn't play this year. Then they go from March 2020 to September of 2021 without playing hockey? The majority of NHL players are on the edge and will lose their jobs if they don't perform every night. Now they're over 1.5 years without professional training and game time. What kind of shape are they going to be in? How can they compete for getting another contract? The players are looking at giving up everything they've worked for if they opt out of playing.

Like I said before, do we need most retail/restaurant workers providing products we "need to survive"? The government could close all that down and provide us with gruel to survive. It's a luxury to go to the grocery store and have a wide variety of products to choose from. It's a luxury to have your coffee shop open. You're correct that we don't need hockey. However, it's very important for our mental health, and the benefits clearly outweigh the negatives. If you are watching the hockey, I just don't see how you can possibly take the attitude you are taking.

Not individuals. The profession.

You can't lump professional athletes in with health care, paramedics, police, people who manufacture food, firefighters, grocery store workers, hydro workers, teachers etc. Those are professions that need to continue. Professional sports is a luxury, not grocery stores.

As such, if you are basing it off of professions rather than age, it's those workers who should get vaccinated first (some have, but not all), not professional athletes. I don't see how you can take the attitude you are taking.

Therefore, if professional sports want to continue, then that's up to them. However, they should not jump over those other groups to get their vaccinations first. If they shut down tomorrow, I'll be sad, but it won't dramatically affect people. If hospitals shut down, if food supply issues arise. If all grocery stores shut down, if there is a fire and firefighters don't come, if the power goes out and nobody fixes it. Those are issues that cost lives. Those are issues that affect people more than a game not being played.

Just because I watch hockey, doesn't mean I think they should get vaccinated before essential workers. I watch movies too. It doesn't mean I think actors should skip the line. I enjoy hockey, I don't put hockey players on a pedestal and think they are better than everyone.

 

[blankall]

Again, they didnt have the variant. P1 is 2.6 times more transmissable than Covid and 56% more deadly.

Not really relevant to my point, which was specifically about the Sabres. However, very precise numbers you've given:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...wksf-covid-19-p1-variant-of-concern.pdf?la=en

Disease Severity No research on the impact of the P.1 variant on disease severity was identified.

 

[blankall]

Not individuals. The profession.

You can't lump professional athletes in with health care, paramedics, police, people who manufacture food, firefighters, grocery store workers, hydro workers, teachers etc. Those are professions that need to continue. Professional sports is a luxury, not grocery stores.

As such, if you are basing it off of professions rather than age, it's those workers who should get vaccinated first (some have, but not all), not professional athletes. I don't see how you can take the attitude you are taking.

Therefore, if professional sports want to continue, then that's up to them. However, they should not jump over those other groups to get their vaccinations first. If they shut down tomorrow, I'll be sad, but it won't dramatically affect people. If hospitals shut down, if food supply issues arise. If all grocery stores shut down, if there is a fire and firefighters don't come, if the power goes out and nobody fixes it. Those are issues that cost lives. Those are issues that affect people more than a game not being played.

Just because I watch hockey, doesn't mean I think they should get vaccinated before essential workers. I watch movies too. It doesn't mean I think actors should skip the line. I enjoy hockey, I don't put hockey players on a pedestal and think they are better than everyone.

So it's okay for you to benefit off of hockey players putting their lives at risk, and that's their choice, and you, as someone who has benefited, see no responsibility? Quite the display of mental gymnastics here.

The hockey players play hockey, because of the fans. If you're going to have credibility on the subject, you have to admit your own part in the players returning to play.

 

[Cupless44]

Not really relevant to my point, which was specifically about the Sabres. However, very precise numbers you've given:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/...wksf-covid-19-p1-variant-of-concern.pdf?la=en

Maybe read this

Why the P.1 Variant Poses So Great a Threat to BC | The Tyee

 

[blankall]

Maybe read this

Why the P.1 Variant Poses So Great a Threat to BC | The Tyee

Not going to get into this, as per the mods rules, but if you actually dig into the facts, you'll see why the Ontario government is stating it's not conclusive that P1 is more dangerous. Here's a hint, the area they are using to gauge the deadliness of the P1 variant, an economically disadvantaged region of Brazil, also had a total collapse of their medical system and was unable to actually perform Covid tests on most of their fatalities.

As for the Canucks players, the reports are that they are all recovering quickly and have excellent medical care, it's highly unlikely that any will die.

 

[SnowStorm]

Maybe read this

Why the P.1 Variant Poses So Great a Threat to BC | The Tyee

Just stop. I don't know what the "tyee" is but if we're going to continue being paranoid about every "variant" of covid we hear about, we may as well cease to exist. Life is short, try to enjoy it instead of fearing to experience it.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

As for the Canucks players, the reports are that they are all recovering quickly and have excellent medical care, it's highly unlikely that any will die.

I think focusing entirely on the bolded outcome to say things should be fine ignores the fact that there are other serious, even if not fatal, outcomes that could still affect these players long term even if it doesn't come to something so dire as the above.

 

[Hockey Fanatik]

Well, then none of them should lace up in the first place. There is a chance involving their health every time they step on the ice. It’s far more likely for an nhl player to have a serious injury resulting from actually playing hockey than from Covid. That’s not to say that the nhl should just ignore Covid entirely or anything... but let’s not fear monger when players get Covid.

Youre comparing a sports risks to a highly-contagious viral strain

I wont even entertain the discussion; you should be ashamed

 

[blankall]

I think focusing entirely on the bolded outcome to say things should be fine ignores the fact that there are other serious, even if not fatal, outcomes that could still affect these players long term even if it doesn't come to something so dire as the above.

You are correct. Things could happen. However, current reports are that all players are recovering or recovered.

We don't even know how many players have even tested positive:

Left-winger Nils Hoglander was added to the NHL's protocol list Monday. Seventeen of the 22 players on the Canucks' active roster are now on the protocol list.

A player on the list has not necessarily tested positive — the list, for example, also has players who must self-isolate for being a close contact or travel reasons. A player who tests positive must self-isolate for 10 days.

We don't even know if it's actually P1:

Multiple reports have said the P. 1 variant first identified in Brazil is suspected to be involved in the Canucks' outbreak, but the Canucks and NHL have not commented publicly on results of tests since the Vancouver organization confirmed Gaudette had tested positive last week.

A Canadian infectious disease specialist says more information is needed on the Canucks before deeper analysis is possible.

"I think it's a bit early to speculate about what's happening with the Canucks. I mean I suspect that the outbreak there is likely going to turn out to be related to P1 but we don't know yet whether anyone's going to have severe infections," said Dr. Ilan Schwartz, an infectious disease expert with the University of Alberta.

"Certainly any of the variants, including what we call the wild type or the original variant, are able to cause symptomatic disease in young people, it's just the degree of symptomatology that is variable. And so it's difficult to draw conclusions just from one small group, but certainly, this should put Canadians on notice."

NHL expresses concern about Vancouver Canucks' COVID-19 situation - TSN.ca

 

[kcin94]

So it's okay for you to benefit off of hockey players putting their lives at risk, and that's their choice, and you, as someone who has benefited, see no responsibility? Quite the display of mental gymnastics here.

The hockey players play hockey, because of the fans. If you're going to have credibility on the subject, you have to admit your own part in the players returning to play.

So I can't watch hockey unless I agree that they should be vaccinated before essential workers? I guess I'll tune out. Have a nice day.

 

[Soundwave]

So I can't watch hockey unless I agree that they should be vaccinated before essential workers? I guess I'll tune out. Have a nice day.

They should be vaccinated because they travel across provinces constantly and can't wear a mask while they work.

The criteria should be what kind of disease vector they could be, not the tired ass "well they make lots of money so they shouldn't be ahead of others".

Grocery store clerk is not travelling to 3 provinces in a week.

 

[42]

This is a ridiculous statement. You take a health related chance every time you decide to get out of bed.

And sometimes when you get in bed.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Youre comparing a sports risks to a highly-contagious viral strain

I wont even entertain the discussion; you should be ashamed

I’m talking about player overall health and safety. Playing hockey itself is many times more dangerous for players than Covid.

 

[Advanced stats]

So much speculation here.

As far as I've seen factually reported...

-We don't know if anyone is actually on an IV
-We don't know if it is infact the P1 varient
-We don't know how many players have covid, we only know how many are in protocol.

If I'm wrong on any account, I will willingly stand corrected

 

[DarrenBanks56]

Not going to get into this, as per the mods rules, but if you actually dig into the facts, you'll see why the Ontario government is stating it's not conclusive that P1 is more dangerous. Here's a hint, the area they are using to gauge the deadliness of the P1 variant, an economically disadvantaged region of Brazil, also had a total collapse of their medical system and was unable to actually perform Covid tests on most of their fatalities.

As for the Canucks players, the reports are that they are all recovering quickly and have excellent medical care, it's highly unlikely that any will die.

im pretty sure its more contagious. like the norovirus on a cruise ship. with same symptoms. like vomiting and pissing out your ass.
usually fine after a couple days but often get dehydrated.

 

[leafsgirl12]

I think focusing entirely on the bolded outcome to say things should be fine ignores the fact that there are other serious, even if not fatal, outcomes that could still affect these players long term even if it doesn't come to something so dire as the above.

True since Heart inflammation is one possible side affect of covid and at least two nhl players are dealing with that now after having the original variant of covid

 

[Pucklington]

They should be vaccinated because they travel across provinces constantly and can't wear a mask while they work.

The criteria should be what kind of disease vector they could be, not the tired ass "well they make lots of money so they shouldn't be ahead of others".

Grocery store clerk is not travelling to 3 provinces in a week.

They are in contact with at least x1000 more people a day.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Maybe read this

Why the P.1 Variant Poses So Great a Threat to BC | The Tyee

Some people are more susceptible to fear-mongering than others.

The Canucks will all be fine and back on the ice in no time.

 

[Hockey Fanatik]

I’m talking about player overall health and safety. Playing hockey itself is many times more dangerous for players than Covid.

While that can be true, you still dont put that out there because one is a risk of injury and one is a risk of death, and has taken the lives of many in this country and others

hockey hasnt killed almost three million people. Its just not a comparison to be making about a matter that has real and consequential involvement

 

[Throw More Waffles]

While that can be true, you still dont put that out there because one is a risk of injury and one is a risk of death, and has taken the lives of many in this country and others

hockey hasnt killed almost three million people. Its just not a comparison to be making about a matter that has real and consequential involvement

Well, there's a lot less people playing hockey. And people do sometimes die playing hockey. I'd be interested to see if the death rate playing professional hockey is higher than the covid death rate for people 40 and under.

Covid has killed something like 7 people 40 and under in BC (who were all REMARKABLY ill before they even got coivd). It's killed ZERO people 20 and under.

Does this new p1 really affect young people more? Not really known as of now. I, personally, am not letting the fear mongering get to me.

 

[kcin94]

They should be vaccinated because they travel across provinces constantly and can't wear a mask while they work.

The criteria should be what kind of disease vector they could be, not the tired ass "well they make lots of money so they shouldn't be ahead of others".

Grocery store clerk is not travelling to 3 provinces in a week.

The amount of money they make has never been in any of my posts, but nice attempt to deflect.

They knew the situation when they agreed to play. If them being a disease vector was that bad that it was a public health concern, then they never should have been granted approval. In fact, that was part of the NHL's story to get approval is that they weren't a danger to public health.

The situation was clear when they agreed to start that they weren't going to get vaccinated. This was known before the season started. They agreed to start the season anyway. It's not a blame thing, but they don't get to jump ahead of the line because it didn't work out.

 

[Soundwave]

The amount of money they make has never been in any of my posts, but nice attempt to deflect.

They knew the situation when they agreed to play. If them being a disease vector was that bad that it was a public health concern, then they never should have been granted approval. In fact, that was part of the NHL's story to get approval is that they weren't a danger to public health.

The situation was clear when they agreed to start that they weren't going to get vaccinated. This was known before the season started. They agreed to start the season anyway. It's not a blame thing, but they don't get to jump ahead of the line because it didn't work out.

Who decides what "the line" is? You?

They are a small group of people but vaccinating them can protect potential community spread. They are doing a service to the general public by giving entertainment, unless you think locking people inside for a year plus on shitty Netflix movies and then acting dumb struck that people want to go out was some big surprise.