Confirmed with Link: [VAN/TOR] Vancouver acquires Josh Leivo in exchange for Michael Carcone.

[The90]

Go back into the woodwork Leaf fans, already seeing comments like "he's too good for the 4th line" lmao

Weird. I don’t see where I said that. All that I said was give him a chance before you shit on him he has the potential to be decent. But by all means, take your anger towards Benning out on Leaf fans as a whole.

 

[Willy Stylez]

I’ve been watching Leivo very closely. He excels offensively in every situation. His shot, IQ and play on the boards is great, only weakness is that he can’t play the PK and that’s why Babcock didn’t play him. Babcock loves his bottom 9 forwards being able to play the PK. This is a solid deal and Leivo will break out if played next to EP or Horvat mark my words.

Im with you.

 

[Fire Benning]

The biggest positive to this trade that no one is talking about: they didn’t needlessly give up a pick.

 

[elwin316]

Why oh why does this team always do things like give up younger assets for players not able to get regular icetime on their old team. Leivo sounds like every other 25 almost 26 year player who "just wasn't given a chance". It's not often you see a MArchessault wher that might actually apply. Usually there are reasons for a guy not being able to establish himself in a lineup beyond the 4th line.

I suppose any player in the Canuck's system is an "asset", but let's try to put his value into perspective, maybe a top 25 prospect in the system?

Prospect Info: - Canucks 2018 Prospect Rankings - #20

Not sure the immediate hate is warranted. That being said, I have fairly low expectations that this trade will ever amount to anything significant.

 

[Spirit of 67]

All y'all win this trade.
Not that it's much of a needle mover.

 

[stampedingviking]

Weird. I don’t see where I said that. All that I said was give him a chance before you **** on him he has the potential to be decent. But by all means, take your anger towards Benning out on Leaf fans as a whole.

You get used to it (unfortunately).

 

[Serac]

It's exciting watching Benning deplete Utica and doing absolutely nothing to help them out, for multiple years in a row now (hell, he couldn't even let them have Gagner).

I suppose he's banking on Beagle being back to be able to send Gaudette down, but still...yikes.


That being said, I look forward to what Leivo can show us here.

 

[Melvin]

I suppose any player in the Canuck's system is an "asset", but let's try to put his value into perspective:

Prospect Info: - Canucks 2018 Prospect Rankings - #20

Not sure the immediate hate is warranted. That being said, I have fairly low expectations that this trade will ever amount to anything significant.

He has been having a breakout season in Utica.

Not saying he's a stud, but looking at last year's rankings doesn't tell the whole story. Read some of Ms posts lately about Utica's games. Carcone has been a consistent stand out.

Now. I don't mind selling high on a prospect. I said the same thing about Shinkaruk when he was finally producing in the ahl. Selling high is good. It's just, why do we always do it for another team's cast offs? I am so tired of acquiring these guys.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Epic blunder?

Best forward?

You realize we’re discussing Carcone, right?

2 contracts out and 1 in are the best part of these moves which tells you all you need to know about Carcone and Lepsic

The fact that Leivo is the incoming contract should make these moves imune from criticism from a Canuck fan.

What’s hilarious is a few of the usual suspects are praising Carcone as a legitimate prospect and a great player for Utica. He was universally hated down in Utica up until a month ago when he started a bit of a hot streak. He is a useful AHL player but he will never play a game in the NHL

 

[tantalum]

I suppose any player in the Canuck's system is an "asset", but let's try to put his value into perspective:

Prospect Info: - Canucks 2018 Prospect Rankings - #20

Not sure the immediate hate is warranted. That being said, I have fairly low expectations that this trade will ever amount to anything significant.

He is an asset. It may not be a great one I agree. But if you agree with that then that makes Leivo worth the same. He also isn't viewed as an asset around the league. There is usually a reason for that. He might turn out great but odds are its the latest in a run of 25/26 year olds that "just haven't been given a chance" that can be found all over the AHL and Europe. This isn't just a Benning thing....many GMs do it. It very rarely ends up being meaningful.

The better move would have been claiming a Zykov or Aberg etc. Similar caliber players that allows you keep the marginal asset that was moved.

 

[elwin316]

He has been having a breakout season in Utica.

Not saying he's a stud, but looking at last year's rankings doesn't tell the whole story. Read some of Ms posts lately about Utica's games. Carcone has been a consistent stand out.

Now. I don't mind selling high on a prospect. I said the same thing about Shinkaruk when he was finally producing in the ahl. Selling high is good. It's just, why do we always do it for another team's cast offs? I am so tired of acquiring these guys.

Using that logic, perhaps we are actually buying low? Again, I don't think this trade will amount to anything significant, but I'm not going to immediately hate on it.

 

[E40]

So, can't get a clear read from leaves fanatics on this one

... He's a good skater/he's not a good skater...He does nothing very well / he can be a 20 goal guy... Not big or strong, / he has some grit... He's got more to give/ he's a plug.

I say Why not, career AHLer won't be missed and its Benning afterall. at least he didn't throw in a pick to sweeten the deal

 

[Fire Benning]

I love these kind of stories where player x hasn't been given a chance to succeed at team y. Unfortunately we have had to many of these stories before and they have all ended in utter failure. Didn't Leipsic have the same background? Guy didn't get a chance... look at him now... now we grab another project.

I am 100 Percent sure it will fail again.

Yep. Their biggest win in this department was probably Baertschi. A soft one-dimensional winger who can put up 30 points in big minutes on a terible team. Not super flattering when that’s your big win for reclaimation projects.

 

[elwin316]

He is an asset. It may not be a great one I agree. But if you agree with that then that makes Leivo worth the same. He also isn't viewed as an asset around the league. He might turn out great but odds are its the latest in a run of 25/26 year olds that "just haven't been given a chance" that can be found all over the AHL and Europe. This isn't just a Benning thing....many GMs do it. It very rarely ends up being meaningful.

If he's worth the same then why complain at this point? Why not state that it seems like a fair trade at the moment and wait until enough time passes to form a proper judgement?

 

[Siludin]

Josh Leivo is where Carcone can only one day maybe hopefully be

Solid trade for Vancouver. Leivo stealing ice time from the trash they've been throwing out the past few weeks ought to send a message that nobody's job is guaranteed when you are losing.

 

[Melvin]

Using that logic, perhaps we are actually buying low? Again, I don't think this trade will amount to anything significant, but I'm not going to immediately hate on it.

Let's just say that given our track record I am not especially confident.

 

[I in the Eye]

I'll believe that the Canucks didn't add a pick tomorrow. I'll let a full day pass in case the news trickles through. I see no reason why Toronto couldn't also get a pick out of Benning... all they had to do was firmly ask.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Great move. Leivo>>>Leipsic. We lose almost nothing in Carcone and end up with a solid player, really like this move.

 

[keslerburrows]

CLear playing time for Dahlen, Lind, Gadjovich? That playing time is already clear. They just aren't able to take that time because they have performed poorly in the AHL.

The thing is, these guys have no where else to go and need to be given opportunities to succeed for us to at least see what we have in them. Even if it is marginal, all playing time helps and I really don't care if Utica suffers because of it. They are a farm team, and serve the purpose of developing young players.

Let's be real, Carcone was not an asset that was going to get us anything to help our defence or poor goaltending. At the very least, Leivo is an upgrade at wing and should provide Horvat more support in Baertschi's absence.

Clearing dead-weight in Utica for someone that can serve a purpose on the Canucks should not be seen as a negative. We didn't trade a draft pick, or a player with any upside (or value). If you think Carcone could've been used as an asset ever, you are dreaming.

 

[tantalum]

If he's worth the same then why complain at this point? Why not state that it seems like a fair trade at the moment and wait until enough time passes to form a proper judgement?

Because there are better ways to acquire a player that has marginal value. This is an organization that doesn't actually have many assets. They don't stockpile picks they haven't attempted to stock the farm team etc. So value wise it may be "even" there have been several opportunities to keep an farm asset like Carcone and get a player like Leivo for free. Benning appears to pass those thing up all the time. He spends assets on players organizations have tired of and are destined to be UFA or on the waiver wire.

So sure let's give Leivo a chance....I haven't said otherwise. But I'm not going to call this a steal or anything like it because on the surface I don't believe this is the best move that could have been made for this organization in the past week.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Great move. Leivo>>>Leipsic. We lose almost nothing in Carcone and end up with a solid player, really like this move.

 

[ChilliBilly]

I'll believe that the Canucks didn't add a pick tomorrow. I'll let a full day pass in case the news trickles through. I see no reason why Toronto couldn't also get a pick out of Benning... all they had to do was firmly ask.

I suspect the owner has said no picks this year, we want the fans involved on draft day in Vancouver. Simply put, not one draft pick should be given away this year unless is a massive win in a trade.

And did TO do this to make room for Willy?

 

[bossram]

Im with you.

Canadian Canuck also said the same things about Leipsic and Pouliot.

 

[NoShowWilly]

I'll withhold judgment but I recall leaf fans saying the same about leipsic.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Funny how the Canucks manage to get older with this trade.

My guess is this will be a nothing trade. I called the Holm for Leipsic a nothing trade (despite the fact that Benning supporters were trumpeting that as some huge win). In the end it was a nothing trade. I expect the same here. Leivo is a decent player, but more of a dime a dozen type. We didn't give up a pick so no harm done in that regard, though Benning does take away from our AHL depth.

Overall nothing to get excited about either way.