Cupless44
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Leivo-Gaudette-Virtanen
Roussel-Beagle-MacEwen
Thats my ideal bottom six
Agreed. Looks good. Move Sutter and Granlund before next year.
Leivo-Gaudette-Virtanen
Roussel-Beagle-MacEwen
Thats my ideal bottom six
The Canucks have about 35 million in cap room (under a 81 million cap)with 14 players signed (4 d-men, 1 Goalie, 9 fwds)
Players that need to be resigned, Edler , Boeser ,Hutton , Thats about 16 million. Getting another good d-man is going to cost at lest 6 more, plus add Hughes for 1 million more. If you spend 8,5 on Stone. Thats 31,5 million.
Almost No cap left, and that a 7 D, 11 FWD, 1 Goalie line up. Remember if Pettersson or Hughes hit bonuses those gets added to the cap next year if you can't fit them under this years bonus.
To add a top winger and another d-man the Canucks need to move out some overpaid players.
And don't forget about the possibility of the Luongo cap recapture....
I don't think it's going to happen as at this stage if Luongo wants to hang them up he'll just get some sort of post-career corrective surgery and sit on the LTIR until the contract expires. But if he does retire it's going to get ugly.
They do need to move the dead weight out. I think Sutter and Gudbranson for sure. And then you need to really look at the lower paid guys and see who can be replaced with a league minimum guy to free up those 500k and $1 mil increments.
It's funny now that the team could possibly be on the rise, the constant overpays on every single contract they've signed is coming back to bite them. People will argue Bo and Tanev's contracts are good, and they are, but they were both at the high end of what the cohorts got.
Granlund getting an extra $500k after a massive drop in production, Sven getting $3.5 when he can't even play 2/3 of a season, .
Consistant though; look at the Sbisa re-up. Had a fairly terrible season - he gets a raise (not like he was underpaid before).You don't get it. They don't use any of their leverage.
The cap is getting a big raise when Seattle comes in, the only bad contract that will remain when EP’s ELC ends is Eriksson.It's funny now that the team could possibly be on the rise, the constant overpays on every single contract they've signed is coming back to bite them. People will argue Bo and Tanev's contracts are good, and they are, but they were both at the high end of what the cohorts got.
Granlund getting an extra $500k after a massive drop in production, Sven getting $3.5 when he can't even play 2/3 of a season, Gudbranson, Stecher....making every negotiation easy to this stage is why they'll even have to think about a cap crunch, which is absolutely ludicrous as they still only have 4 or 5 good players. This isn't even mentioning deals to MDZ, Gagner, Eriksson etc.
For as positive as EP makes the outlook, it's hard to look past all these overpays and they're adding up, right at the time the team could potentially splash on an actual big fish in free agency, not the 4th line.
It's funny now that the team could possibly be on the rise, the constant overpays on every single contract they've signed is coming back to bite them. People will argue Bo and Tanev's contracts are good, and they are, but they were both at the high end of what the cohorts got.
Granlund getting an extra $500k after a massive drop in production, Sven getting $3.5 when he can't even play 2/3 of a season, Gudbranson, Stecher....making every negotiation easy to this stage is why they'll even have to think about a cap crunch, which is absolutely ludicrous as they still only have 4 or 5 good players. This isn't even mentioning deals to MDZ, Gagner, Eriksson etc.
For as positive as EP makes the outlook, it's hard to look past all these overpays and they're adding up, right at the time the team could potentially splash on an actual big fish in free agency, not the 4th line.
He's "the kinda guy you can win with"...versatility is one of his better assets. He doesn't look out of place on the 1st line for short periods or the 3rd line. A good complementary piece.He’s been good. Nothing earth shattering, but he makes things happen out there. Big body with good speed, hands and shot. Reminds me of 2012-2015 era Chris Higgins.
At least Leivo has the hustle that Goldobin lacks.
If Goldobin just cared a bit more, he can be so good.
I don’t get the Higgins comparisons, wasn’t Higgins pretty solid defensively here? Meanwhile Leivo’s game away from the puck was why he was in Babcock’s doghouse.
Also, Higgins didn’t have the shot Leivo has, but Higgins was definitely the better skater.
The only similarities are that both are wingers and good at winning board battles.
I see more differences than similarities.
You don't get it. They don't use any of their leverage.
It's funny now that the team could possibly be on the rise, the constant overpays on every single contract they've signed is coming back to bite them. People will argue Bo and Tanev's contracts are good, and they are, but they were both at the high end of what the cohorts got.
Granlund getting an extra $500k after a massive drop in production, Sven getting $3.5 when he can't even play 2/3 of a season, Gudbranson, Stecher....making every negotiation easy to this stage is why they'll even have to think about a cap crunch, which is absolutely ludicrous as they still only have 4 or 5 good players. This isn't even mentioning deals to MDZ, Gagner, Eriksson etc.
For as positive as EP makes the outlook, it's hard to look past all these overpays and they're adding up, right at the time the team could potentially splash on an actual big fish in free agency, not the 4th line.
You don't get it. There's very little leverage if you want to lock up your young stars long term. They already got Tanev to sign a 1 year deal with a promise to pay him if he has another good season which he did. Canucks fans consider Tanev a first pairing defenseman well before he signed his current contract. As for Horvat, teams don't tend to use the ball and chain with their best players. Did the Leafs use their leverage with Nylander? They did and that sure worked out well. The reports then was that Nylander was asking as high as $8M AAV. He signed for just under $7M AAV with a front-loaded contract and huge signing bonus coming to him next summer. You ask Leafs fans last summer and very few wanted to pay him over $6M AAV.
Fan expectations rarely match reality when it comes to long term contracts. Name some long-term contracts that the respective fan base consider to be an absolute steal that turned out as such (and I dont mean "could be down the road types). That rarely happens because there's always risk vs reward. If you thought Tanev was a first pairing defenseman and Horvat was a core player future captain, what do you think their agents value them as?
Looks like a great middle six guy, remind me of Higgins, average at everything with good two way play and a good wrist shot.
I don’t get the Higgins comparisons, wasn’t Higgins pretty solid defensively here? Meanwhile Leivo’s game away from the puck was why he was in Babcock’s doghouse.
Also, Higgins didn’t have the shot Leivo has, but Higgins was definitely the better skater.
The only similarities are that both are wingers and good at winning board battles.
I see more differences than similarities.
I haven’t see him look “bad” defensively but he isn’t a guy I feel comfortable with being matched up against a scoring line all game or on the PKI haven't seen the egregious defensive liabilities with Leivo that you have. I don't typically have concerns about his backcheck or puck pursuit during games.
Let see if they use any leverage with Edler, a player who has made it abundantly clear he doesn't want to play hockey anywhere else other than Vancouver.
I am guessing too much term as usual and not as team friendly as it should be.
I haven’t see him look “bad” defensively but he isn’t a guy I feel comfortable with being matched up against a scoring line all game or on the PK
Meanwhile the 2011/2012 version of Higgins would fit in just fine as a winger on the Sutter or Beagle line in a shutdown role or as a PK’er on this team.
Just because a team isn't competitive doesn't mean you should be willing to overpay. I can't reconcile that personally.There's more to it than just the AAV when the ink dries. For starters, where is the team on the competitive pendulum? Players are willing to sign less to play for a competitive team. Considering we've been going through a rebuild, and cost of living in Vancouver is high, there's not much "leverage" to be had when it comes to UFAs.
Take Gagner for example. Clearly a bad signing. But with that said, would you have rather had Boeser play with Gagner last season when Bo was out, or Gaunce or Granlund? Gagner, despite being a bad contract, at least brought some NHL skill to a team with a huge void in that department. Maybe that money could have been better spent elsewhere, but this assumes an equal or better player would have come to a team nearing rock bottom in the rebuild. Posters will say "just weaponize the cap space" but that doesn't happen all that much, and getting into bidding wars for the rare time it does pretty much defeats the purpose. So imo, considering that I don't expect good UFAs to cone here where we were a couple years ago, I'd rather overspend on skill willing to come here, than sit with extra cap s0ace and argue whether Gaunce or Granlund makes a better top 6 C.
With RFAs, clearly Benning is a "player friendly" GM. At this point, he sees no need to hold guys over a barrell to save a few points on relatively cheap contracts. I mean save $500k - $1m on all the RFA deals, and you still don't free up that much. I mean save a few bucks on Pouliot and Granlund's contract doesn't move the needle at all, especially when you are sitting with like $10m in cap space already.
I hope when we are in a situation where we are tight against the cap, then Bemning can be a bit tighter with the purse strings, but that has cost to it as well. Everyone considers contracts a strength of the Gillis era, and we saw Ehrhoff walk because of the tight purse strings, and only a Salo blown achilles kept Bieksa from being moved for pennies on the dollar. There's risk amd consequences from any cap strategy, so imo makes no sense to be complaining about it now when we are/were in a situation that demanded overpays to get even B or C grade UFAs, and cap space currently isn't even close to being an issue.
When we have to let a valuable piece walk due to dead cap space and overpaid plugs, let me know and I will get pissed off right alongside you.