Melvin
21/12/05
Is "good along the boards" the new "good in the room?"
Confirmed with Link: [VAN/TOR] Vancouver acquires Josh Leivo in exchange for Michael Carcone.
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I love these kind of stories where player x hasn't been given a chance to succeed at team y. Unfortunately we have had to many of these stories before and they have all ended in utter failure. Didn't Leipsic have the same background? Guy didn't get a chance... look at him now... now we grab another project.
I am 100 Percent sure it will fail again.
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Agreed. He never got a real chance in Toronto and he's got top 6 upside. I hate to see him go, I think we may regret this if we're still playing in May but I'm happy to see him get a real shot (at least I assume he gets a real shot now).
It's a win for the Canucks, but let's not go overboard here. I think Leivo is solid and might have 15-20 goal upside, but he is a 25 year old fringe-y type. We're not winning the lottery with this one. He's strong and a bull on the boards (so he should be a nice fit next to Horvat) but he also has extremely notable limitations (like skating). Better than Leipsic, but it's not going to move the needle in any way.
This was more a favour from Dubas to Leivo than anything. Dubas had promised Leivo that if he was at a point he couldn't get in the lineup, which was likely because Babcock hates him, that Dubas would move him somewhere he'd have a better shot. He did that.
Carcone was a nice little find for Utica. He probably tops out as a Leipsic-esque player, but Utica fans seemed to like him.
Even if it does fail. We traded a career AHLer player for an NHL player. You make that trade 100 times out of 100 and hope that your lottery ticket hits.
Lol no sh!t. We are 1% less sh!tty than we were yesterday. Progress
Why oh why does this team always do things like give up younger assets for players not able to get regular icetime on their old team. Leivo sounds like every other 25 almost 26 year player who "just wasn't given a chance". It's not often you see a MArchessault wher that might actually apply. Usually there are reasons for a guy not being able to establish himself in a lineup beyond the 4th line.
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It's a win for the Canucks, but Utica gets the short end of the stick with how thin they are.
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I'll take your word for it, but you can't blame anyone for defaulting to skepticism based on this team's track record with reclamation projects.
It kinda sucks to always be negative, but it is a stunning indictment on Benning when this type of fringey trade is considered a GREAT move from Benning.
"Only weakness" lmao. The guy is just as bad of a skater as Schaller is.
He'll probably be an upgrade over the garbage there is now but that isn't saying much.
This is very similar to the Shinkaruk-Granlund deal. High scoring Utica forward for a few years older fringe NHLer. Same age as Granlund - they will both be UFAs in 2020.
Sucks for Utica, and it would've been nice to see what they had in Carcone who had paid his dues in the organisation. Would've been a fast player too, opposite of Leivo who is another slow one.
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You watch many leafs games?
He’s actually a decent player. Definitely some potential there. Not fair to write him off till he gets a fair shake at some real playing time. He’d never get that in Toronto.
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And you’ll likely be right. These trades/pickups do flame out far more often than they pan out. But every once in a while there’s a diamond in the rough. Just too bad the guy we have searching for it is Jim Benning.
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Gaudette more than likely should go down to flourish in the AHL, and then someone else down when Sutter comes back and another when Baertschi works his way back (which could be a while, concussions suck)
So when fully healthy
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Feel like I'm missing someone
Same shit defence and 2 backup goaliex
Fire Benning
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Leivo seems like another gamble acquisition who was buried on another team’s depth chart and wasn’t getting playing time. Not they type of trade this management group has had a good track record with.
All for having some fresh blood into this stale lineup, but I would’ve preferred to just claim Zykov to have him as a project player without sacrificing a body from Utica. Especially since Carcone seemed to be finding his way nicely in the A.
Unless Leivo is a massive home run I don’t see him sticking around for that long either.
All for having some fresh blood into this stale lineup, but I would’ve preferred to just claim Zykov to have him as a project player without sacrificing a body from Utica. Especially since Carcone seemed to be finding his way nicely in the A.
Unless Leivo is a massive home run I don’t see him sticking around for that long either.
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Yeah this makes a lot of sense to me. Who cares if Carcone was good on Utica? His upside isn't what Leivo is now.. Getting rid of players like Carcone clears more playing time for actual prospects like Dahlen, Lind and Gadjovich.
Leivo will be a better lineman for Horvat than Schaller or Loui.
Leivo will be a better lineman for Horvat than Schaller or Loui.
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Go back into the woodwork Leaf fans, already seeing comments like "he's too good for the 4th line" lmao
Epic blunder?
Best forward?
You realize we’re discussing Carcone, right?
2 contracts out and 1 in are the best part of these moves which tells you all you need to know about Carcone and Lepsic
The fact that Leivo is the incoming contract should make these moves imune from criticism from a Canuck fan.
Melvin
21/12/05
I just want to stop trading younger players for older ones.
It shouldn't be so much to ask if we're rebuilding.
Melvin
21/12/05
CLear playing time for Dahlen, Lind, Gadjovich? That playing time is already clear. They just aren't able to take that time because they have performed poorly in the AHL. Carcone was performing well and if his upside is that of Leivo then it really doesn't make a lot sense to make the deal. Leivo is 26 at seasons end...he is what he is. The upside for him is likely about what it is now.
Time will tell of course but given the past pro scouting, normal historical precedence around the league etc I wouldn't count on Leivo being anything more than Leipsic was. Meanwhile they somehow managed to weaken the farm even further.
And of course, an asset (no matter how minimal) was moved and doesn't actually address the biggest weakness. Still an atrocious blueline and the assets are running out to address it.
