Confirmed with Link: [VAN/TB] Jason Garrison, 7th in 2015, Jeff Costello for TB's 2nd (50th OA)

[Wisp]

Dorsett was acquire with the 2014 3rd round pick we acquired from the Ducks for our 2015 3rd round pick. A stunning move.

TBH I am torn about them trading the picks we got. I was pretty excited when it looked like we'd be drafting six times in the first three rounds. Volume drafting is the bees knees. But Dorsett means much less Top Sixito, and Linden Vey was a player I was a fan of.

I'm guessing the pairing of Garrison-Tanev was never used as that linked article makes no mention of it?

Not sure. I took a gander at Behind the Net and Extra Skater and Tanev and Garrison weren't common line mates. I don't seem to remember them being together much. They probably did play together at some point but the sample was small.

edit: Found the WOWYs. They only played 43:40 minutes together 5v5, but there corsi for was 40%. So bad, but small sample.

 

[Derp Kassian]

No kidding.

He's made available, and immediately two of the NHL's top teams and best run organizations are willing to trade for his services. And TB is willing to do a rather large re-arrangement of their roster to accommodate him.

This does not sound like a player who was 'overpaid' or hard to move.

I'm still befuddled every day about the revisionist history of his play here. The guy was an excellent two-way defender for 1.5 years here and then fell off late last year along with everyone else on the team (but was nowhere near Edler-bad) while he was playing with an injury. He's a good player and a good defensive player. But somehow he's become the butt of jokes, had a 'horrible' season, was a liability ... it's freaking bizarre. None of this is true, but it's being repeated here on a pretty consistent basis.

he was great for a year and a half, but that groin looks wonky. Could be a huge bullet dodged in the end.

 

[Barney Gumble]

Not sure. I took a gander at Behind the Net and Extra Skater and Tanev and Garrison weren't common line mates. I don't seem to remember them being together much. They probably did play together at some point but the sample was small.

We'll never know for sure now obviously, but I would expect that line should work (but again, who knows).

And I made an addition to the post I made after you posted this (which I didn't see until now). Don't want you to think that I made a ninja edit to get one past you.

edit: you beat me again with the edits lol.

Ideally, I would've dealt both of them (Garrison & Edler) and just start "from scratch"; but that isn't really practical I suppose.

 

[Wisp]

Personally I think we had to move one of the high-paid left D. It wasn't going to be Hamhuis.

 

[Barney Gumble]

Personally I think we had to move one of the high-paid left D. It wasn't going to be Hamhuis.

Well that was a given - especially with the acquisition of left side D Sbisa in the Kesler deal.

 

[Wilch]

he was great for a year and a half, but that groin looks wonky. Could be a huge bullet dodged in the end.

If Edler keeps up his putrid pace from last season, we might have dodged a bullet only to catch a cannon ball in the face.

I'm hoping he bounces back in dramatic fashion and get traded for big value at the deadline.

 

[CanadianPirate]

No kidding.

He's made available, and immediately two of the NHL's top teams and best run organizations are willing to trade for his services. And TB is willing to do a rather large re-arrangement of their roster to accommodate him.

This does not sound like a player who was 'overpaid' or hard to move.

I'm still befuddled every day about the revisionist history of his play here. The guy was an excellent two-way defender for 1.5 years here and then fell off late last year along with everyone else on the team (but was nowhere near Edler-bad) while he was playing with an injury. He's a good player and a good defensive player. But somehow he's become the butt of jokes, had a 'horrible' season, was a liability ... it's freaking bizarre. None of this is true, but it's being repeated here on a pretty consistent basis.

It's the Gillis effect. People are sooooo determined to hate Gillis and love Benning/Linden that they've decided that Gillis was the worst GM in the league. And if Gillis was the worst GM in the league then anyone he brought in must suck. The effect isn't just being seen with regards to Garrison. Almost every single thread has a throw away comment about Gillis being terrible. Something about the mess he left here or terrible drafting there. The revisionist history is in full effect with regards to the Gillis era. I'm waiting for people to start downplaying the 2011 team and all of the good changes he made.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

If Edler keeps up his putrid pace from last season, we might have dodged a bullet only to catch a cannon ball in the face.

I'm hoping he bounces back in dramatic fashion and get traded for big value at the deadline.

Yea but convincing Edler to give up his country club life in Kits isn't likely to happen.

 

[Wilch]

Yea but convincing Edler to give up his country club life in Kits isn't likely to happen.

Country clubs in Vancouver suck ass. If he enjoys golfing so much maybe he should just move to Florida. Too bad the ship has sailed on that one.

 

[Wisp]

It's the Gillis effect. People are sooooo determined to hate Gillis and love Benning/Linden that they've decided that Gillis was the worst GM in the league. And if Gillis was the worst GM in the league then anyone he brought in must suck. The effect isn't just being seen with regards to Garrison. Almost every single thread has a throw away comment about Gillis being terrible. Something about the mess he left here or terrible drafting there. The revisionist history is in full effect with regards to the Gillis era. I'm waiting for people to start downplaying the 2011 team and all of the good changes he made.

I was called a Gillis apologist in the past, so people really aren't paying attention if they think I'm trying to make everything he did is ****. I still liked him, despite the fact I'm eating a lot of crow with how these NTC trades are going down.

Groin issue has always been in the back of mind with Garrison. I was talking about trading him since the season ended. There's a reason I could go back and provide links regarding all the commentary on his groin through out the season: I read them all before and they stuck with me.

 

[MS]

It's the Gillis effect. People are sooooo determined to hate Gillis and love Benning/Linden that they've decided that Gillis was the worst GM in the league. And if Gillis was the worst GM in the league then anyone he brought in must suck. The effect isn't just being seen with regards to Garrison. Almost every single thread has a throw away comment about Gillis being terrible. Something about the mess he left here or terrible drafting there. The revisionist history is in full effect with regards to the Gillis era. I'm waiting for people to start downplaying the 2011 team and all of the good changes he made.

Pretty much.

The revisionist history on Gillis is equally hilarious. Two years ago, he was universally considered the best GM in franchise history. He has a bad couple years, mainly a result of the goaltending mess (which was largely the result of the league completely screwing him over with the new CBA) and half the posters here seem to think he was an abject idiot and terrible GM.

Country clubs in Vancouver suck ass. If he enjoys golfing so much maybe he should just move to Florida. Too bad the ship has sailed on that one.

It's interesting that we could have 'traded' him to Florida in #1 pick negotations without asking him to waive his NTC - because Florida was so poor, we could have waived him as part of a deal and they would have had the second claim on him.

Highly doubt that was even considered, though, given the hard-on this regime seems to have for him.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

Country clubs in Vancouver suck ass. If he enjoys golfing so much maybe he should just move to Florida. Too bad the ship has sailed on that one.

Are you kidding, beach, ocean, liberal lifestyle...you'v never seen Edler cruise down 4th near Arbutus in his convertible, striped hipster tank top and sunglasses? The guy already looks like he's living on the beach. He ain't leavin', he's already out here, livin on the beach

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Pretty much.

The revisionist history on Gillis is equally hilarious. Two years ago, he was universally considered the best GM in franchise history. He has a bad couple years, mainly a result of the goaltending mess (which was largely the result of the league completely screwing him over with the new CBA) and half the posters here seem to think he was an abject idiot and terrible GM.

He was great from 2008-2011, then terrible from 2011-2014. The best GM in franchise history does not have that kind of up and down run.

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

Pretty much.

The revisionist history on Gillis is equally hilarious. Two years ago, he was universally considered the best GM in franchise history. He has a bad couple years, mainly a result of the goaltending mess (which was largely the result of the league completely screwing him over with the new CBA) and half the posters here seem to think he was an abject idiot and terrible GM.

I was on board with Gillis right up to the Hodgson trade and then completely jumped ship when he traded Schneider. While I maintain the value on both those trades were "fair", the Schneider trade especially was such an awful decision I lost all faith in him.

Anyway, I guess this isn't the Gillis thread but the goaltending fiasco, despite the revised CBA, was handled so incompetently, I thought his firing was well earned. Would've been fine with keeping him but certainly didn't have any issues with his dismissal.

 

[CanadianPirate]

I was called a Gillis apologist in the past, so people really aren't paying attention if they think I'm trying to make everything he did is ****. I still liked him, despite the fact I'm eating a lot of crow with how these NTC trades are going down.

Groin issue has always been in the back of mind with Garrison. I was talking about trading him since the season ended. There's a reason I could go back and provide links regarding all the commentary on his groin through out the season: I read them all before and they stuck with me.

I was on board with Gillis right up to the Hodgson trade and then completely jumped ship when he traded Schneider. While I maintain the value on both those trades were "fair", the Schneider trade especially was such an awful decision I lost all faith in him.

Anyway, I guess this isn't the Gillis thread but the goaltending fiasco, despite the revised CBA, was handled so incompetently, I thought his firing was well earned. Would've been fine with keeping him but certainly didn't have any issues with his dismissal.

I didn't mean to turn this into a thread about gillis (even though it is my fault that it did). My problem with what is happening isn't that moderate people think that maybe trading garrison wasn't a terrible idea (wisp) or that gillis did make some bad moves so having a fresh start isn't a bad thing (mrmyheadhurts) my issue is with the posters who are trying to rewrite history so that garrison (and by extension gillis) were absolutely awful. The idea that garrison has always been bad for the canucks even when him and hamhuis were dominating defensively in 2012-2013 and when he was our highest scoring defenseman last year. It really seems like people have an agenda that they pushing in an effort to support this new regime. To be honest I'm just kind of worried that the team has become immune from criticism for some people because of the owners hiring Trevor "aww shucks" Linden, which was very clearly their plan.

 

[absolute garbage]

I was on board with Gillis right up to the Hodgson trade and then completely jumped ship when he traded Schneider. While I maintain the value on both those trades were "fair", the Schneider trade especially was such an awful decision I lost all faith in him.

Anyway, I guess this isn't the Gillis thread but the goaltending fiasco, despite the revised CBA, was handled so incompetently, I thought his firing was well earned. Would've been fine with keeping him but certainly didn't have any issues with his dismissal.

Yeah, agreed there. The whole goaltending situation was just a mess even if it was partially caused because of the rule changes. The second big mistake was obviously the hiring of Tortorella. It's debatable whether it was a mistake to try to keep the 2011 core so intact (and throw all the NTCs in order to do that), but I don't really see any other big missteps there. Of course there are bad moves like Ballard, Booth, Sturm and whatnot but I'd categorize these more as pro scouting failures rather than just Gillis screwing up.

Personally I would've not fired Gillis IF he had fired Tortorella, but I can justify the firing and see the reasons for it. That being said, compared to this new regime that made this deal for example, I already miss Gillis. A lot.

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

I didn't mean to turn this into a thread about gillis (even though it is my fault that it did). My problem with what is happening isn't that moderate people think that maybe trading garrison wasn't a terrible idea (wisp) or that gillis did make some bad moves so having a fresh start isn't a bad thing (mrmyheadhurts) my issue is with the posters who are trying to rewrite history so that garrison (and by extension gillis) were absolutely awful. The idea that garrison has always been bad for the canucks even when him and hamhuis were dominating defensively in 2012-2013 and when he was our highest scoring defenseman last year. It really seems like people have an agenda that they pushing in an effort to support this new regime. To be honest I'm just kind of worried that the team has become immune from criticism for some people because of the owners hiring Trevor "aww shucks" Linden, which was very clearly their plan.

You'll get no argument from me on the Garrison front. He was a good player and was largely underrated.

That being said, I can at the very least understand the decision, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. 4.6m is a lot of cap for a guy that this regime apparently didn't have in their top 2 pairings and I have a feeling there were some lingering injury concerns. I'm also noticing a trend with guys like Garrison (defensive specialists) where, right or wrongly, they are not being viewed as players that teams want to pay for. I don't think it's a coincidence that Volchenkov and Gorges (yes, both lesser players) are finding themselves on the outside looking in, and they both had lower cap hits than Garrison.

 

[ontheDB]

Now that the first day of FAF has gone by, and the Canucks signed a good but aging goalie in Miller and tried to sign another aging superstar in Iginla,
was dumping Garrison worth it ?

They are definitely improved with getting Miller, but even if they did indeed sign Iginla as well, odds are they are still a playoff bubble team.
Which means not being a serious contender and not getting a good chance of winning the draft. Essentially, being a filler team.
Of course, we don't know which other UFAs they were in on (either seriously or not) or who else they may still get.

The worst damage of the Garrison trade, is not losing his talents (as the Canucks are set at D for a team at their level), but essentially forcing a player out who has a NTC, and was one of the <b>few</b> UFAs willing to sign in Van.
Garrison did waive his NTC, but it was evident he was not happy and did not want to go. He only waived as he was told he was not wanted here.
It is already difficult for Van to attract UFAs; this treatment of a player in their prime (who was signed just two seasons ago) cannot be good.
The Canucks cannot always hope for UFAs with actress wives.

 

[topheavyhookjaw]

He was great from 2008-2011, then terrible from 2011-2014. The best GM in franchise history does not have that kind of up and down run.

Most GMs in this franchises history never had ups, only downs.

he was great for a year and a half, but that groin looks wonky. Could be a huge bullet dodged in the end.

Same could be said for Edler's back.

Pretty much.

The revisionist history on Gillis is equally hilarious. Two years ago, he was universally considered the best GM in franchise history. He has a bad couple years, mainly a result of the goaltending mess (which was largely the result of the league completely screwing him over with the new CBA) and half the posters here seem to think he was an abject idiot and terrible GM.



It's interesting that we could have 'traded' him to Florida in #1 pick negotations without asking him to waive his NTC - because Florida was so poor, we could have waived him as part of a deal and they would have had the second claim on him.

Highly doubt that was even considered, though, given the hard-on this regime seems to have for him.

Given they are allegedly in on Myers, I think JB sees Edler as toolsy and fixable with a development focused coach. Too soon to tell, but the only clear philosophy I've seen/heard from JB is that with Desjardins there is a focus on development, but who knows, Edler might be a disinterested trainwreck with Willie too.

 

[me2]

I was on board with Gillis right up to the Hodgson trade and then completely jumped ship when he traded Schneider. While I maintain the value on both those trades were "fair", the Schneider trade especially was such an awful decision I lost all faith in him.

Anyway, I guess this isn't the Gillis thread but the goaltending fiasco, despite the revised CBA, was handled so incompetently, I thought his firing was well earned. Would've been fine with keeping him but certainly didn't have any issues with his dismissal.

The Hodgson deal, though I hated the timing of it, looks good in light of the fact that Gagner=Hodgson and Gagner has negative value now.

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

The Hodgson deal, though I hated the timing of it, looks good in light of the fact that Gagner=Hodgson and Gagner has negative value now.

It was a poor deal because we were still very much a contending team at the time. It would have been a fine move to make in the off-season but for Gillis to remove a contributing player (and one that could actually put the puck in the net) and swap him for a project who barely even saw the ice in the post season that year was stupid. Value was fine, timing showed a lack of vision and forethought.

Both the Hodgson and Schneider trades felt like Gillis giving up.

 

[Tiranis]

It was a poor deal because we were still very much a contending team at the time. It would have been a fine move to make in the off-season but for Gillis to remove a contributing player (and one that could actually put the puck in the net) and swap him for a project who barely even saw the ice in the post season that year was stupid. Value was fine, timing showed a lack of vision and forethought.

Or maybe he expected AV to bench Hodgson in the playoffs? I mean, that would've been a pretty predictable move given Hodgson's defensive and possession struggles. If that's the case, Hodgson's value had likely peaked by that trade deadline.

 

[bo2shink*]

Pretty much.

The revisionist history on Gillis is equally hilarious. Two years ago, he was universally considered the best GM in franchise history. He has a bad couple years, mainly a result of the goaltending mess (which was largely the result of the league completely screwing him over with the new CBA) and half the posters here seem to think he was an abject idiot and terrible GM.

Universally considered?

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

Or maybe he expected AV to bench Hodgson in the playoffs? I mean, that would've been a pretty predictable move given Hodgson's defensive and possession struggles. If that's the case, Hodgson's value had likely peaked by that trade deadline.

All we know for sure is that Kassian was benched, I have no clue what would have happened if Hodgson had stayed. AV did a good job putting Hodgson in a position to put up points, I have no reason to believe that couldn't have continued.

 

[Canucker]

All we know for sure is that Kassian was benched, I have no clue what would have happened if Hodgson had stayed. AV did a good job putting Hodgson in a position to put up points, I have no reason to believe that couldn't have continued.

And his actual 2nd line center was injured and virtually useless down the stretch...I'd rather take a chance on Hodgson trying to stir up some offense than a gimpy Kesler or Sammy Pahlsson.