We're getting some data in this thread from BC and Alberta pointing to the fact not only Americans that are anti-vaccine for political reasons.
We're getting some data in this thread from BC and Alberta pointing that is in fact not only Americans that are anti-vaccine for political reasons.
He’s not, nor is he qualified to make the argument he’s trying to make. If you don’t understand science, Infectious diseases, and basic prevention and control measures, you should probably not make a fool out of yourself online. Bugger off and be appreciative that most people are smart enough to get vaccinated and abide by rules to prevent transmission.Maybe they should have been.
I don't think you're making the point you think you're making.
Good for the French. I don't think we in North America would know real oppression if it was right in front of our noses. More and more people are waking up but so many just don't see what's wrong with this picture.Did you see the French protests this past weekend? Blows the US out of the water in terms of any political demonstrations against vaccines.
People like you can't stand that some people choose not to mindlessly put their health in the medical establishment's hands.He’s not, nor is he qualified to make the argument he’s trying to make. If you don’t understand science, Infectious diseases, and basic prevention and control measures, you should probably not make a fool out of yourself online. Bugger off and be appreciative that most people are smart enough to get vaccinated and abide by rules to prevent transmission.
These forums give voices to people who shouldn’t be heard. If it’s talking about hockey, it doesn’t matter if they are wrong because it only amazes them look stupid, and if they influence others it’s just on a inconsequential hockey opinion. When it comes to providing their non-expert advice on what they know as virologists and vaccinologists , it could have implications on others medical decisions, not just themselves. Far more serious.
The worst part is that these vocal minority are impossible to reason with. They just don’t understand. As an ID epidemiologist throughout the pandemic, I’ve learned to ignore the trolls, but I’ll make the odd post late at night when I read bullshit.
You say you're an epidemiologist but they watched a video on Yotube and read some Facebook memes. I'm just not sure whose opinion should be accepted.He’s not, nor is he qualified to make the argument he’s trying to make. If you don’t understand science, Infectious diseases, and basic prevention and control measures, you should probably not make a fool out of yourself online. Bugger off and be appreciative that most people are smart enough to get vaccinated and abide by rules to prevent transmission.
These forums give voices to people who shouldn’t be heard. If it’s talking about hockey, it doesn’t matter if they are wrong because it only amazes them look stupid, and if they influence others it’s just on a inconsequential hockey opinion. When it comes to providing their non-expert advice on what they know as virologists and vaccinologists , it could have implications on others medical decisions, not just themselves. Far more serious.
The worst part is that these vocal minority are impossible to reason with. They just don’t understand. As an ID epidemiologist throughout the pandemic, I’ve learned to ignore the trolls, but I’ll make the odd post late at night when I read bullshit.
Just going to leave this year. Solidarity with those of us who don't want this vaccine.
The vaccines have undergone all the clinical trials required and there is plenty of reliable science on their safety and effectiveness.It is entirely reasonable and legitimate to say ‘no’ to insufficiently tested vaccines for which there is no reliable science.
...because this is a nonsense phrase for vaccines, it's not even wrong to talk about the "long term effects".Long-term effects are unknown.
I didn't say you should care. I'm just happy there's a growing number in our corner.You say you're an epidemiologist but they watched a video on Yotube and read some Facebook memes. I'm just not sure whose opinion should be accepted.
I couldn't get through the second paragraph without there being blatantly false statements.
The vaccines have undergone all the clinical trials required and there is plenty of reliable science on their safety and effectiveness.
...because this is a nonsense phrase for vaccines, it's not even wrong to talk about the "long term effects".
Let us see which field of expertise these people who wrote the letter have.
Denis Rancourt, PhD - physics
Angela Durante, PhD - nursing
Claus Rinner, PhD - geography and environmental Studies
Laurent Leduc, PhD - systematic theology
Donald Welsh, PhD - vascular biology
John Zwaagstra, PhD - biotechnology
Jan Vrbik, PhD - mathematics and statistics
Valentina Capurri, PhD - history and geography
Oh. Not a single expert in immunology, epidemiology, or another relevant field. Why should anyone care about their unsupported opinions on this topic?
Which explains the problem here. These are topics that require very specific subject matter expertise, and a Gish Gallop letter from a group of non-experts should not be convincing to you just because you agree with it ideologically.I didn't say you should care. I'm just happy there's a growing number in our corner.
Everything is politicized nowadays so I don't really care about who is an expert in what. The experts driving this craziness are paid shills for big pharma.
Why would pharmaceutical companies pay people (allegedly) to promote an ineffective medical treatment? What exactly is the motivation here?I didn't say you should care. I'm just happy there's a growing number in our corner.
Everything is politicized nowadays so I don't really care about who is an expert in what. The experts driving this craziness are paid shills for big pharma.
The crisis this time was ten fold larger with lockdowns. The flu is also something that is well understood with a predictable timeline. These situations are apples to oranges.Again I ask, where were the doctors asking for restrictions to save lives when hospitals were supposedly overwhelmed in 2017-18?
Hate it when people post something without any comment at all of what it says. Made the misstake last night of trying to read that (English isnt my first language) ) before going to sleep.. Having Alzheimers in the family and having had three months of smell and taste loss.. Is this study saying Covid will make you have a neurological disease sooner or later, if having had loss of smell symptoms or is the study/publication merely speculating about it?
Thank you. I hate this division.
Agreed, reasonable stance to have in this.There is no way to know if there are long term effects.......until we get to "long term".
This JUST got here....long term takes decades.
Why would pharmaceutical companies pay people (allegedly) to promote an ineffective medical treatment? What exactly is the motivation here?
A growing number? You realize vaccinations are rising again in the states? Also, 70% of adults in the US have had at least one dose. I’d say it’s the exact opposite. There’sa growing number of people getting vaxxed because the alternative is a naive choice.I didn't say you should care. I'm just happy there's a growing number in our corner.
Everything is politicized nowadays so I don't really care about who is an expert in what. The experts driving this craziness are paid shills for big pharma.
Agreed, reasonable stance to have in this.
That study though, its like 20 pages long, it looks like they have included every scientific source there is out there on the matter whit that long list of sources. Yet its merely speculation.. I agree, whats the main purpose of that text really, to spread anxiety? Cause, like you said no way to know. Long term. And Covid19 isnt the only virus that make you loose the smell for a while. Its not something new, nothing about that fact in there, from what I could read.
Whose moral virtues are you talking about? Is it moral to make a choice that causes misery or death to others? By not getting vaccinated, you are allowing the virus to continue to spread and infect more people than it would if vaccinated. This in turn causes hospitals to be overburdened, health care workers burning out, potentially people seeking treatment for non-COVID related sickness not being treated, people dying and giving plenty of opportunities for the virus to mutate into a variant that is even more transmissible than Delta or perhaps even evade the vaccines. Does this sound like a moral choice to you? Compare that to asking people to take a vaccine that has been shown to be effective and safe. If you believe otherwise, you are not looking at the evidence but believing lies and conspiracy theories.Nobody owns us. Nobody has the right to coerce a shot we don't want, no matter the perceived risk they feel we are. It's just not done in a moral society.
I didn't say you should care. I'm just happy there's a growing number in our corner.
Everything is politicized nowadays so I don't really care about who is an expert in what. The experts driving this craziness are paid shills for big pharma.
I like it. I think it was an important wake up call for us to see how animalistic we still are as people when even a sentence like "I'd like to be careful and wait with making up my mind before deciding on what to do" sends masses of people into rage and the worst subjects calling for people's livelihood to be destroyed, or in some cases even wanting the punishments to go really down the line of violent insanity.
Some good information coming from Israel:
Israel's public health chief says evidence points to waning COVID vaccine immunity
A lot of what we already know:
Antibodies may be waning = more infections = boosters for those at risk due to not as strong of an immune response.
But there’s some really good news in here:
‘“We saw that 80 percent of vaccinated individuals who have become confirmed cases themselves had zero contact with confirmed cases, while 10 percent had one contact of confirmed cases," she said, adding that "their ability to infect others is 50 percent lower than those who are not vaccinated."
She noted while there is spread among household contacts, the risk of confirmed cases of vaccinated individuals infecting others is about 10 percent while the risk of infecting more than one individual is lower than 10 percent.’
This is how you turn a virus that has been living your ass lately into a minor threat, and is exactly why it’s important to have a high vaccination rate within a community, because not only are you massively reducing severe outcomes, but your also reducing transmission.
Just going to leave this year. Solidarity with those of us who don't want this vaccine.
People like you can't stand that some people choose not to mindlessly put their health in the medical establishment's hands.
Some good information coming from Israel:
Israel's public health chief says evidence points to waning COVID vaccine immunity
A lot of what we already know:
Antibodies may be waning = more infections = boosters for those at risk due to not as strong of an immune response.
But there’s some really good news in here:
‘“We saw that 80 percent of vaccinated individuals who have become confirmed cases themselves had zero contact with confirmed cases, while 10 percent had one contact of confirmed cases," she said, adding that "their ability to infect others is 50 percent lower than those who are not vaccinated."
She noted while there is spread among household contacts, the risk of confirmed cases of vaccinated individuals infecting others is about 10 percent while the risk of infecting more than one individual is lower than 10 percent.’
This is how you turn a virus that has been living your ass lately into a minor threat, and is exactly why it’s important to have a high vaccination rate within a community, because not only are you massively reducing severe outcomes, but your also reducing transmission.
Just going to leave this year. Solidarity with those of us who don't want this vaccine.