USA Hockey

[RizzleMcRib]

Is anyone here an official / hockey director / super familiar with the USA Hockey rule book? Looking for some help with something...

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[EightyOne]

You don't wanna just up and ask us and get our wild ass guesses?

 

[RizzleMcRib]

You don't wanna just up and ask us and get our wild ass guesses?

Ok... So I'll ask...

A week and a half ago we had our championship game.
During the 3rd I received a MINOR for checking from behind. According to USA Hockey, and CFB minor comes with a misconduct. Majors come with a game misconduct.

So I received a Minor, a misconduct, and game misconduct for the checking from behind penalty (which should only be a misconduct not a game based on the rulebook). I then (out of character) got a little mouthy and received a Game Misconduct for Abuse Of Officials.

Any Game Misconduct comes with a 1 game suspension. I understand that and will take that suspension.

The director also said that according to USA Hockey, and Abuse Of Officials comes with a 1 game also. Nowhere in the USA Hockey rulebook can I find that.

So we are still at 1 game.

2 misconducts in a game = Game Misconduct. So does my game misconduct count as a second even though I'm already receiving a 1 game suspension for that?

The 13 -(Checking from Behind), 3 min , 12:30

The 13 - (Checking from Behind(Misconduct), 10 min , 12:30

The 13 -(Checking from Behind(Game Misconduct), 10 min , 12:30

The 13 -(Abuse of Officials(Game Ejection), 10 min , 12:30

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Edit - They are saying it's 2 games.
(I had 1 penalty all season in both leagues combined until that game, so I'm not a goon or dirty by any means)

 

[EightyOne]

The 13 -(Checking from Behind(Game Misconduct), 10 min , 12:30
yeah this is definitely the question mark...


I am not sure how much leeway refs have to add a Game Misconduct to ANY minor that they feel was egregious. I think this is the angle we need to investigate. I feel they can...

The abuse of official is fine.

I mostly agree you should serve one game. We gotta go read if refs can add GMs to any penalty called at their discretion...

 

[RizzleMcRib]

The 13 -(Checking from Behind(Game Misconduct), 10 min , 12:30
yeah this is definitely the question mark...


I am not sure how much leeway refs have to add a Game Misconduct to ANY minor that they feel was egregious. I think this is the angle we need to investigate. I feel they can...

The abuse of official is fine.

I mostly agree you should serve one game. We gotta go read if refs can add GMs to any penalty called at their discretion...

a) A minor plus a misconduct penalty, or a major plus a game misconduct penalty, shall be assessed for checking from behind.
(b) A major penalty plus game misconduct penalty shall be assessed to any player who injures an opponent, or causes them to go head first into the boards or goal frame, as a result of checking from behind.
(c) A match penalty shall be assessed for checking from behind in all instances when a player clearly checks an opponent from behind with excessive force while the opponent is in a vulnerable or defenseless position or the action was deemed to be a deliberate attempt to injure an opponent.

That's the thing, if it was bad enough to warrant a GM, shouldn't it have been a major?

 

[EightyOne]

Did you have any other penalties or similar incidents that game?

Here's where they can apply Game Misconducts (besides the afformentioned Major + blank and other automatic GMs):

Game Misconduct Penalty
401(b) Five penalties to same player in game
403(b) Second major penalty in same game
404(a) Second misconduct penalty during same game
601(a) Persisting in unsportsmanlike conduct (I could see if you had other incidents this could apply)
601(e) Abuse of officials and other misconduct (obvious first part happened..."other misconduct" is intensely vague)
615(c) Improperly worn helmet removed during altercation
615(d) First to intervene in altercation
626(c) Player interference with spectator


...just spitballing on where that GM on the minor could come from.

Gonna go read about suspensions now.

Edit:

A game misconduct penalty shall be assessed to any player
or team official who is guilty of the following actions:
(1) Persists in any course of conduct for which he has
previously been assessed a misconduct penalty (player)
or bench minor penalty assessed to the team (Team
Official).
(2) Uses an obscene gesture anywhere in the rink before,
during or after the game.
(3) Uses language that is offensive, hateful or
discriminatory in nature anywhere in the rink before,
during or after the game.
(4) Interferes in any physical manner with any game
official, including off-ice officials, in performing their
duties.
(5) A player who receives their second misconduct penalty
(for any rule infraction) during the same game shall
be assessed a game misconduct penalty in lieu of the
second misconduct penalty.

...Did 2 or 3 happen on the hit?

 

[RizzleMcRib]

Did you have any other penalties or similar incidents that game?

Here's where they can apply Game Misconducts (besides the afformentioned Major + blank and other automatic GMs):

Game Misconduct Penalty
401(b) Five penalties to same player in game
403(b) Second major penalty in same game
404(a) Second misconduct penalty during same game
601(a) Persisting in unsportsmanlike conduct (I could see if you had other incidents this could apply)
601(e) Abuse of officials and other misconduct (obvious first part happened..."other misconduct" is intensely vague)
615(c) Improperly worn helmet removed during altercation
615(d) First to intervene in altercation
626(c) Player interference with spectator


...just spitballing on where that GM on the minor could come from.

Gonna go read about suspensions now.

Edit:

A game misconduct penalty shall be assessed to any player
or team official who is guilty of the following actions:
(1) Persists in any course of conduct for which he has
previously been assessed a misconduct penalty (player)
or bench minor penalty assessed to the team (Team
Official).
(2) Uses an obscene gesture anywhere in the rink before,
during or after the game.
(3) Uses language that is offensive, hateful or
discriminatory in nature anywhere in the rink before,
during or after the game.
(4) Interferes in any physical manner with any game
official, including off-ice officials, in performing their
duties.
(5) A player who receives their second misconduct penalty
(for any rule infraction) during the same game shall
be assessed a game misconduct penalty in lieu of the
second misconduct penalty.

...Did 2 or 3 happen on the hit?

No earlier misconduct. Everything was on that 1 play. 2 or 3 do not apply to the checking from behind penalty, only the abuse of officials call.

 

[EightyOne]

Well...

Situation 6
May the Referee change an assessed penalty any time after
play resumes if it is realized that a penalty was incorrectly
assessed according to the playing rules?
No. Rule References 502(a & e).
The Referee may not add, change, or delete a penalty after
play has resumed following penalty assessment. This includes
after a game. If a rule has been misapplied, the Referee is
obligated to inform the governing body so that a modification
could be possible under “Supplementary Discipline” (Rule
410).
However, the Referee should change any “clerical” error
noted on the scoresheet prior to signing the sheet. For
example, if the Referee properly assessed a game misconduct
penalty, but it was incorrectly recorded on the scoresheet as
a misconduct, this should be corrected prior to signing the
scoresheet.



I think the penalty was written wrong on the scoresheet. I'd say you have a good argument that the first GM should never have been applied.

Therefore, one game.

As it stands, it's two. But that one should never have been recorded. Not sure who to bug about that, but it looks like you're gonna end up screwed with two games.

 

[RizzleMcRib]

Well...

Situation 6
May the Referee change an assessed penalty any time after
play resumes if it is realized that a penalty was incorrectly
assessed according to the playing rules?
No. Rule References 502(a & e).
The Referee may not add, change, or delete a penalty after
play has resumed following penalty assessment. This includes
after a game. If a rule has been misapplied, the Referee is
obligated to inform the governing body so that a modification
could be possible under “Supplementary Discipline” (Rule
410).
However, the Referee should change any “clerical” error
noted on the scoresheet prior to signing the sheet. For
example, if the Referee properly assessed a game misconduct
penalty, but it was incorrectly recorded on the scoresheet as
a misconduct, this should be corrected prior to signing the
scoresheet.



I think the penalty was written wrong on the scoresheet. I'd say you have a good argument that the first GM should never have been applied.

Therefore, one game.

As it stands, it's two. But that one should never have been recorded. Not sure who to bug about that, but it looks like you're gonna end up screwed with two games.

Either way, it was in the wrong. Plus I play in 2 leagues that's 18 games each. 2 games isn't going to kill me.