Injury Report: Update: Mike Green out for season with virus

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We should have never re-signed him.
It is one thing posting opinions based on data, but there is no reason to post just to always negative.

Our record this year with and without Green in the line-up certainly points to his presence being positive for the team. No reports of him being negative in the locker room. From the way this year's defense has turned out, he certainly is not blocking anyone's advancement.

It is unfortunate that has has been debilitated twice by the same illness, for which you can't blame the player or the team.

Try saying something positive.....once in a while.
 
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It is one thing posting opinions based on data, but there is no reason to post just to always negative.

Our record this year with and without Green in the line-up certainly points to his presence being positive for the team. No reports of him being negative in the locker room. From the way this year's defense has turned out, he certainly is not blocking anyone's advancement.

It is unfortunate that has has been debilitated twice by the same illness, for which you can't blame the player or the team.

Try saying something positive.....once in a while.
Nothing positive about a guy always hurt. He would be a good signing if he was on the ice. That hasn't been the case with him.
 

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First and foremost, I hope Green gets the help he needs for this virus.

With that said, it seems like Green might eventually have to go on LTIR but my understanding is that we cannot put anyone else on LTIR until Franzen’s deal is up. Am I wrong in that thinking?
 

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In Zadina's post game interview after scoring the other night, you could see Larkin in the background, with a big bag of ice taped to his left shoulder/neck area. didn't look good.

I'm glad they are sitting him and letting him rest. ZERO point in pushing Larkin at this point.
Let AA play 1C for a game and lets see how badly it turns out. They can then use it as evidence that AA should move to wing full time and give up this folly that he can be a C at the NHL level.
 

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First and foremost, I hope Green gets the help he needs for this virus.

With that said, it seems like Green might eventually have to go on LTIR but my understanding is that we cannot put anyone else on LTIR until Franzen’s deal is up. Am I wrong in that thinking?

He won't need LTIR.

 

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Shut down Larkin for the year. He is clearly our best player. We aren't making the playoffs. We need to lose.

You can't just toss guys in bubblewrap. If Larkin can go, he should be playing. If he needs rest, he should rest. But you don't shut him down with 15 games to go for a minor injury.

Larkin should only be shut down for the year if it's an injury that you'd be shutting him down for if you were in the playoff rush.

Also, there was no reason to think when Green was re-signed that he'd pick up a virus that would ravage him like this. "We shouldn't have re-signed him" is one of two things. Either it is hindsight saying "he's never on the ice, so we shouldn't have given him money" or it is the type of "rebuilding" foresight in which we shouldn't add any good players until we reach some arbitrary place with an arbitrary amount of core pieces and it's okay to do so again.

There was no issue with re-signing Green and judging by his play when healthy, it was a good idea. You can't hold him getting an unforeseen illness against him or the team. Were there some red flag that "HEY, MIKE GREEN'S LIVER IS GONNA DIE", I could get on with your reasoning. But I don't remember hearing anything about any medical red flags and he passed the physical with flying colors in July, obviously, so it's just bad luck.
 

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You can't just toss guys in bubblewrap. If Larkin can go, he should be playing. If he needs rest, he should rest. But you don't shut him down with 15 games to go for a minor injury.

Larkin should only be shut down for the year if it's an injury that you'd be shutting him down for if you were in the playoff rush.

Also, there was no reason to think when Green was re-signed that he'd pick up a virus that would ravage him like this. "We shouldn't have re-signed him" is one of two things. Either it is hindsight saying "he's never on the ice, so we shouldn't have given him money" or it is the type of "rebuilding" foresight in which we shouldn't add any good players until we reach some arbitrary place with an arbitrary amount of core pieces and it's okay to do so again.

There was no issue with re-signing Green and judging by his play when healthy, it was a good idea. You can't hold him getting an unforeseen illness against him or the team. Were there some red flag that "HEY, MIKE GREEN'S LIVER IS GONNA DIE", I could get on with your reasoning. But I don't remember hearing anything about any medical red flags and he passed the physical with flying colors in July, obviously, so it's just bad luck.
I rather be overly cautious with our best player and "future captain" in these last meaningless games than have him injury it even worse. Makes no sense other for him to chase career highs in points...
 

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Mike Green...

- has the most points for a defence man.
- is second on the team with ice time per game
- other than Kronwall who’s played all games, there’s only 1 defenceman that’s played more games then Green, and that is 3 games more
- got unlucky health this year
- is mostly the difference between being good and brutal


- and somehow was a terrible resigning. Cmon people, think before you type.
 

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You can't only play kids an expect them to develop. They have to beat out some vets. Also, with Green, he can legitimately help out the kids score points and win some games. You can't just give up on a season or three an purely tank and ever expect to get out the hole. To those of you who want to tank, don't worry because next season is going to be lost too, we return almost the entire same defensive core as this one.
 

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I rather be overly cautious with our best player and "future captain" in these last meaningless games than have him injury it even worse. Makes no sense other for him to chase career highs in points...

Faulty logic. Any hit or fall or whatever could end a career. Might as well not play at all.

If it is a major injury, yes shut him down. If it is something minor, rest him for a minute and get him back in the game.
 

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I rather be overly cautious with our best player and "future captain" in these last meaningless games than have him injury it even worse. Makes no sense other for him to chase career highs in points...

Makes no sense to hold him out of more games than is necessary. If he can play, he should play. I don't want the signal being sent that if you have a little ouchie, it's okay to sit back and not play. I mean, once we are good again, you'll be asking him to play with MUCH worse when playoff time comes around. If it isn't a serious injury that will hold him out for several games, you let him rest a night or two and you move on.
 
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Makes no sense to hold him out of more games than is necessary. If he can play, he should play.

I think the logic is the same as the reason coaches sit star players in pre-season. These games are functionally practice.

Not that he should just sit in the press box, but as a coach I'd weave in a few star scratches and throw some kids to the wolves to see if they survive.
 

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Faulty logic. Any hit or fall or whatever could end a career. Might as well not play at all.

If it is a major injury, yes shut him down. If it is something minor, rest him for a minute and get him back in the game.
Larkin is a gamer and he is young he is going to say he is ready regardless. The year is over, shut him down. Lose the rest of the games.
 
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Larkin is a gamer and he is young he is going to say he is ready regardless. The year is over, shut him down. Lose the rest of the games.

Hockey players, and I think athletes in general, are guys who are going to tell the trainers and coaches that they can go out and play regardless of how much they should go out and play. We've seen guys do it here, where they were clearly not very effective and clearly hampered by injuries, but they would all stand in front of a reporter at the end of the game and talk about how the injury wasn't a factor. At some point, teams have to make the decision for what's best for the player and for the team.
 
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Hockey players, and I think athletes in general, are guys who are going to tell the trainers and coaches that they can go out and play regardless of how much they should go out and play. We've seen guys do it here, where they were clearly not very effective and clearly hampered by injuries, but they would all stand in front of a reporter at the end of the game and talk about how the injury wasn't a factor. At some point, teams have to make the decision for what's best for the player and for the team.
At this point of the season it makes no sense for him to rush back. I'm thinking long term not these last stupid 15 games that mean zero.
 

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Get well Mike. Really puts winning and losing in perspective when someone has health concerns like this.
 

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Hockey players, and I think athletes in general, are guys who are going to tell the trainers and coaches that they can go out and play regardless of how much they should go out and play. We've seen guys do it here, where they were clearly not very effective and clearly hampered by injuries, but they would all stand in front of a reporter at the end of the game and talk about how the injury wasn't a factor. At some point, teams have to make the decision for what's best for the player and for the team.
Shit, Larkin came back after missing 1 game with a strained oblique a few weeks ago. Kid isn't going to shut himself down if he can play.
 

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For the record I wanted to trade Green ASAP last season and not wait until the very last minute of the TDL. I also didn't want to sign him to a new contract this year. With that out of the way I hope he can get this sorted out and live a reasonably healthy life beyond hockey. Even if he needs to become another LTIR All Star with Mule and Z, f*** it, we're not any good and there's no need risking his health. Like Vanek he'll have zero trade value. Just let him focus on his health, he's got a full life ahead of him once this contract expires.
 

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For the record I wanted to trade Green ASAP last season and not wait until the very last minute of the TDL. I also didn't want to sign him to a new contract this year. With that out of the way I hope he can get this sorted out and live a reasonably healthy life beyond hockey. Even if he needs to become another LTIR All Star with Mule and Z, **** it, we're not any good and there's no need risking his health. Like Vanek he'll have zero trade value. Just let him focus on his health, he's got a full life ahead of him once this contract expires.

Did I miss something?

Is there any indication this virus is career ending and/or life threatening? You're talking like his career is over or something and he's never going to play again.
 

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Did I miss something?

Is there any indication this virus is career ending and/or life threatening? You're talking like his career is over or something and he's never going to play again.

You didn't miss anything. So far the official reports are vague and indicate he'll be back.

But chronic viral infections that attack the liver can be bad news. So some of us are worried it's worse than the official reports let on, due to the fact it returned from September.
 

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Dylan Larkin will not play against the New York Rangers at Little Caesars Arena on Thursday (7:30 p.m. ET; FS-D, MSG, NHL.TV) because of a back injury. He will be evaluated by a specialist, with an update expected Friday.
The 22-year-old center leads Detroit in goals (27), assists (35) and points (62).
"We should have a better idea in the next few days," Blashill said of Larkin's prognosis. "I don't think we're talking about years or anything like that, but I don't have many answers right now. We'll know after he has the tests and talks to the doctor."
 

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