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U20: (Unofficial)U20 World Rankings

MeHateHe

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Realizing that the IIHF rankings are a flawed product, they're still a fun thing to watch people bicker over as if they matter.

So, I spent a few minutes looking at the U20 results over the past four years and, following their ranking system for the senior teams (http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/championships/world-ranking/) I compiled a similar ranking for the U20s.

Note that I gave Japan points for finishing sixth in their group this year (780) even though they pulled out of the tournament at the last minute. I'm not sure how the IIHF usually handles that. Israel has only competed in one tournament in the four-year span in which they would have accumulated points. UAE had entered one tournament but didn't compete, so they're not part of these rankings.

Interesting that Russia is atop the rankings, even though they haven't won the tournament in the past four years.

The complete list is below, with the accumulated points.

1) Russia (2935)
2) Finland (2880)
Sweden (2880)
4) USA (2860)
5) Canada (2855)
6) Czech Rep (2775)
7) Slovakia (2745)
8) Switzerland (2650)
9) Denmark (2610)
10) Belarus (2510)
11) Latvia (2485)
12) Germany (2475)
13) Norway (2450)
14) Austria (2430)
15) Kazakhstan (2280)
16) Italy (2240)
17) Poland (2235)
18) Slovenia (2215)
19) France (2185)
20) Ukraine (2080)
21) Great Britain (2070)
22) Japan (1975)
23) Hungary (1925)
24) Lithuania (1865)
25) Estonia (1785)
Netherlands (1785)
27) Croatia (1750)
28) Romania (1700)
29) Korea (1645)
30) Spain (1590)
31) Serbia (1530)
32) Australia (1460)
33) Belgium (1395)
34) China (1375)
35) Iceland (1310)
36) Mexico (1265)
37) New Zealand (1255)
38) Bulgaria (1180)
39) Turkey (1135)
40) South Africa (980)
41) Israel (460)
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1Gold Standard

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fantastic idea. This should get a sticky and I nominate the OP to recalculate the standings on January 6 each year.
 

FiLe

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Not to mention actual math was used, so it's more than mere propaganda by the Pravda.
 

Javaman

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MeHateHe said:
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So, I spent a few minutes looking at the U20 results over the past four years and, following their ranking system for the senior teams (http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/championships/world-ranking/) I compiled a similar ranking for the U20s...
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Nice job.

Just wondering if it would make sense to alter the % weighting given to tournaments considering the higher rate of roster turnover at the junior level (compared to the senior level). For example, the defending champs, Finland, will have lost a bunch of their forward core from last year (e.g. Laine, Puljujarvi, Aho, etc). In contrast, a senior team is much more likely to have elite players be on the roster for well over 4 years and still be in their prime (e.g. Crosby, Price, Doughty, etc.).

Perhaps instead of the 100-75-50-25-0 scale used for senior teams, something more along the lines of 100-67-33-0? Or even 80-40-20-0?

Just a thought.
 
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MeHateHe

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Javaman said:
Nice job.

Just wondering if it would make sense to alter the % weighting given to tournaments considering the higher rate of roster turnover at the junior level (compared to the senior level). For example, the defending champs, Finland, will have lost a bunch of their forward core from last year (e.g. Laine, Puljujarvi, Aho, etc). In contrast, a senior team is much more likely to have elite players be on the roster for well over 4 years and still be in their prime (e.g. Crosby, Price, Doughty, etc.).

Perhaps instead of the 100-75-50-25-0 scale used for senior teams, something more along the lines of 100-67-33-0? Or even 80-40-20-0?

Just a thought.
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Lots of ways to play around. It's all in spreadsheets so I can fiddle with the calculations however I want very easily. I don't take them terribly seriously, as I said, so I'm not invested in any way. I suspect they might be most useful in showing trends in a country's development if you look over a term longer than 4 years.

Anyway, will post the final list after the Div 3 tourney ends Jan. 22. We can play with the weightings, just for fun, then.
 
Statsy

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torero said:
I don't get the ranking of Canada and USA. ?
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Canada may have historically dominated this tourney, but the last four years have seen us get 4th, 4th, gold, and 6th, respectively. With last year's sixth place finish getting the most weight (as it should being the most recent), it's actually not surprising to see us with a somewhat lower ranking. However, things are pretty close in the rankings, and with a gold this year, we would shoot back up at or near the top.

It's a similar story with the States. In both 2014 and 2015 they had the dreaded quarterfinal loss. Those are killers for your team's final standing.
 
Zippy316

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jj cale said:
I've got some bad news for you.

This is the ranking that matters.

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/ne...-win-gold-medals-at-2014-olympic-winter-games
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You actually felt the need to respond to a comment from 10 months ago that talks about U20 teams and not national teams?

As for the OP nice work. The one thing that confuses me is how close Slovakia/Czech Republic are to the USA and Canada. What is the difference in points for where a team finishes in the top tier? Sorry if it was on the link you posted, but that seemed to just show the points for a gold medal and how it is weighted based on years.
 

MeHateHe

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Zippy316 said:
You actually felt the need to respond to a comment from 10 months ago that talks about U20 teams and not national teams?

As for the OP nice work. The one thing that confuses me is how close Slovakia/Czech Republic are to the USA and Canada. What is the difference in points for where a team finishes in the top tier? Sorry if it was on the link you posted, but that seemed to just show the points for a gold medal and how it is weighted based on years.
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There's a 20-point gap between each placing, the only difference is between 4th and 5th and between 8th and 9th, it's a 40-point gap. The IIHF's rationale is there is a premium for making the quarterfinal and semifinal rounds. I thought about adding a similar gap between the various divisions, but I didn't.
 
Statsy

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MeHateHe said:
There's a 20-point gap between each placing, the only difference is between 4th and 5th and between 8th and 9th, it's a 40-point gap. The IIHF's rationale is there is a premium for making the quarterfinal and semifinal rounds. I thought about adding a similar gap between the various divisions, but I didn't.
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Wait, if you didn't do the exact same formula, how can we make the same comparisons? :shakehead
 
jj cale

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Zippy316 said:
You actually felt the need to respond to a comment from 10 months ago that talks about U20 teams and not national teams?

As for the OP nice work. The one thing that confuses me is how close Slovakia/Czech Republic are to the USA and Canada. What is the difference in points for where a team finishes in the top tier? Sorry if it was on the link you posted, but that seemed to just show the points for a gold medal and how it is weighted based on years.
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I thought it was appropriate in a thread abut rankings, and it is about national teams.

But I will keep it current from here on in, I think we will beat Russia tomorrow.
 
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