Unlucky Journeymen with the worst "Team" Record

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The type of player I'm looking for here has had the great fortune of playing in the NHL... but the misfortune of playing on several teams, all of them BAD.

I submit at the head of the list, Nelson Pyatt. Seven seasons with three clubs who not only had losing records, but were among the worst in the league each season:

73-74 Detroit 29-39-10
74-75 Detroit 23-45-12 and
Washington 8-67-5
75-76 Washington 11-59-10
76-77 Colorado 20-46-14
77-78 Colorado 19-40-21
78-79 Colorado 15-53-12
79-80 Colorado 19-48-13

cumulative W-L-T record: 144-397-97

Ironically, the 77-78 Rockies made the playoffs but Pyatt didn't play in either of the two games they lost to Philly.
 

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Next up, Craig Patrick had 8 pro seasons with only half a season with a team barely over .500. Starting with the California Golden Seals, natch, then he escaped the hell of the second-year Scouts to the WHA... only to have his team fold in mid-season. He found himself back in the NHL for three more campaigns with the losing Capitals.

He did get in the two playoff games that St. Louis lost to Pittsburgh in the preliminary round in 74-75.

1971-72 California 21-39-18
1972-73 California 16-46-16
1973-74 California 13-55-10
1974-75 California 19-48-13
1974-75 St. Louis 35-31-14
1975-76 Kansas City 12-56-12
1976-77 Minnesota Fighting Saints of WHA, folded mid-season, 1 game over .500
1976-77 Washington 24-42-14
1977-78 Washington 17-49-14
1978-79 Washington 24-41-15
 

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Denis Dupere was going to be a candidate until I saw that he started his career with four seasons with mediocre Leafs teams. After that, his career paralleled both Patrick and Pyatt, as he split 74-75 with Washington and wound up with St. Louis in the playoffs. From there he went to Kansas City the next season, then two seasons with Colorado when the franchise moved.
 

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Players, Best and Worst "Total Regular Season W-L Dif." (1909-10/2010-11*, estimated numbers**)

Player|POS|First Season|Last Season|ADJ W|ADJ L|ADJ DIF
Larry "Big Bird" Robinson|D|1972|1991|826|391|435
Nicklas "Lidas" Lidstrom|D|1991|2010|878|456|422
Henri "Pocket Rocket" Richard|C|1955|1974|791|379|412
Bob "Le Capitaine" Gainey|L|1973|1988|703|312|391
Serge "The Senator" Savard|D|1966|1982|650|262|388
Yvan "The Roadrunner" Cournoyer|R|1963|1978|622|247|375
Jacques "Coco" Lemaire|C|1967|1978|557|188|369
Wayne "Cash" Cashman|L|1964|1982|639|272|367
Steve "The Garbage Man" Shutt|L|1972|1984|579|226|353
Doug "Ironman" Jarvis|C|1975|1987|603|252|351
Guy "Pointu" Lapointe|D|1968|1983|557|206|351
Jean "Le Gros Bill" Beliveau|C|1950|1970|707|363|344
Guy "The Flower" Lafleur|R|1971|1990|658|323|335
Chris "Cheli" Chelios|D|1983|2009|904|571|333
Kris "Nails" Draper|C|1990|2010|680|353|327
Paul "Coff" Coffey|D|1980|2000|802|485|317
Reggie "Peanut" Houle|L|1969|1982|537|222|315
Scott "Captain Crunch" Stevens|D|1982|2003|892|579|313
Claude "Secret Agent 14" Provost|R|1955|1969|635|322|313
Gordie "Mr. Hockey" Howe|R|1946|1979|1204|904|300
Mario "The Bionic Blueberry" Tremblay|R|1974|1985|520|220|300
Don Marcotte|L|1965|1981|536|237|299
Yvon "Valentino" Lambert|L|1972|1981|443|146|297
Frank "The Flying Dutchman" Nighbor|C|1912|1929|755|459|296
Leonard "Red" Kelly|C|1947|1966|789|497|292
John "The Greasy Jet" Tonelli|L|1975|1991|716|432|284
Maurice "The Rocket" Richard|R|1942|1959|663|379|284
Bill "Swannie" Barber|L|1972|1983|527|245|282
J.C. "Superstar" Tremblay|D|1959|1978|729|450|279
Phil "Espo" Esposito|C|1963|1980|725|446|279
Ken Hodge|R|1964|1977|538|261|277
Aubrey "Dit" Clapper|D|1927|1946|755|480|275
Georges "Buck" Boucher|D|1915|1931|720|449|271
Terry "The Tazmanian Devil" O'Reilly|R|1971|1984|526|265|261
Doug Risebrough|C|1974|1986|449|189|260
Francis "King" Clancy|D|1921|1936|659|403|256
Guy "Carbo" Carbonneau|C|1980|1999|721|468|253
Jean Guy Talbot|D|1954|1970|624|371|253
Ray "Bubba" Bourque|D|1979|2000|850|598|252
Lee Joseph "Foggie" Fogolin|D|1974|1986|528|277|251
Douglas "Brad" Park|D|1968|1984|618|368|250
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Paul Gagne|L|1980|1989|105|245|-140
Ernie "Bubble" Hicke|L|1970|1977|154|296|-142
Al "Big Pete" Shields|D|1927|1937|266|408|-142
Olli "Joker" Jokinen|C|1997|2010|347|489|-142
Alexandre Daigle|R|1993|2005|205|350|-145
Ron "Newsy" Lalonde|C|1972|1978|103|249|-146
Jim "Benji" Benning|D|1981|1989|198|344|-146
Bryan "Bugsy" Watson|D|1963|1978|334|481|-147
Craig Patrick|R|1971|1978|110|259|-149
Claude Loiselle|C|1981|1993|205|355|-150
Yvon Labre|D|1970|1980|85|240|-155
John Mckinnon|D|1925|1930|94|249|-155
Jerry "Topper" Toppazzini|R|1952|1963|300|455|-155
Hibbert "Hibby" Milks|C|1925|1932|185|341|-156
Bob "Augie" Woytowich|D|1964|1975|274|430|-156
Dennis "Hexie" Hextall|C|1967|1979|225|387|-162
Guy Charron|C|1969|1980|237|400|-163
Nick "Broadway Nick" Mickoski|L|1947|1959|257|420|-163
Jeff "The Sheriff" Odgers|R|1991|2002|296|459|-163
Bob "Stewie" Stewart|D|1971|1979|166|332|-166
Larry "Poison" Cahan|D|1954|1973|263|432|-169
Earl Ingarfield|C|1958|1970|274|444|-170
Joe Cirella|D|1981|1995|295|465|-170
Reed "Otis" Larson|D|1976|1989|313|483|-170
Geoff "Sandy" Sanderson|L|1990|2007|412|584|-172
Charlie "Chaz" Burns|C|1958|1972|258|432|-174
Wilfrid "Piment" Paiement|R|1974|1987|323|499|-176
Mike Kitchen|D|1976|1983|112|290|-178
Dave "Huddy" Hudson|C|1972|1977|85|266|-181
Aaron Broten|L|1980|1991|249|432|-183
Tom M. "Vanderbilt" Williams|C|1961|1975|288|474|-186
Bill "Gads" Gadsby|D|1946|1965|527|728|-201
Dean "The Dynamo" Prentice|L|1952|1973|550|752|-202
Henry "Harry The Horse" Howell|D|1952|1975|654|857|-203
Don "Cleaver" Lever|L|1972|1986|341|547|-206
Murray "Muzz" Oliver|C|1957|1974|421|633|-212
Leo "Snake Hips" Boivin|D|1951|1969|443|661|-218
Bill "Wee Willie" Mosienko|R|1941|1954|286|523|-237
Walt "Wake Up Walt" Mckechnie|C|1967|1982|287|541|-254
Gary "Crow" Croteau|L|1968|1979|155|439|-284



* - Leagues: NHA - PCHA - WHL/WCHL - NHL - WHA

** - "Player W-L Dif." = 82 * ("Player Games" * ("Team W" - "Team L") / "Team Games") / "Team Games"

OTL equal Loss
OTW equal WIN
SOW and SOL equal Tie

 

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Goalies, Best and Worst "Total Regular Season W-L Dif." (1909-10/2010-11*, Numbers adjusted for schedule length)

Goalie|First Season|Last Season|ADJ W|ADJ L|ADJ DIF
Patrick "St Patrick" Roy|1984|2002|562|327|235
Martin "Marty" Brodeur|1991|2010|601|370|231
Ken "Octopus" Dryden|1970|1978|265|59|206
Jacques "Jake The Snake" Plante|1952|1974|479|278|201
Clint "Praying Bennie" Benedict|1912|1929|597|397|200
George "Little George" Hainsworth|1923|1936|464|283|181
Andy "Peaches" Moog|1980|1997|384|220|164
Chris "Ozzy" Osgood|1993|2010|400|238|162
Ed "The Eagle" Belfour|1988|2006|492|333|159
Dominik "The Dominator" Hasek|1990|2007|393|234|159
Gerry "Cheesey" Cheevers|1961|1979|346|192|154
Cecil "Tiny" Thompson|1928|1939|410|278|132
Bill "The Mirror Man" Durnan|1943|1949|253|129|124
Terry "Ukey" Sawchuk|1949|1969|481|358|123
Mike "Vernie" Vernon|1982|2001|402|279|123
Tony "Tony O" Esposito|1968|1983|432|310|122
Grant "Coco" Fuhr|1981|1999|408|303|105
Frank "Mr Zero" Brimsek|1938|1949|325|222|103
Curtis "Cujo" Joseph|1989|2008|461|361|100
Turk "Old Slippery" Broda|1936|1951|376|279|97
Pete "Grumpy" Peeters|1978|1990|252|159|93
Tom "Tomcat" Barrasso|1983|2002|372|281|91
Glenn "Mr. Goalie" Hall|1952|1970|426|337|89
Ron "Hexy" Hextall|1986|1998|309|221|88
Lorne "Chabotsky" Chabot|1926|1936|306|221|85
Ed "Steady Eddie" Giacomin|1965|1977|297|213|84
Dave "Davey" Kerr|1930|1940|294|214|80
Evgeni "Nabby" Nabokov|1999|2009|274|194|80
Reggie "Let-Em-In" Lemelin|1978|1992|242|166|76
Bernie "Barnyard" Parent|1965|1978|314|239|75
Rick "Wammer" Wamsley|1980|1992|209|134|75
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Phil Myre|1969|1982|154|205|-51
Gerry "Fastest Glove In The West" Desjardins|1968|1977|137|191|-54
Earl Robertson|1936|1941|85|140|-55
Ron "Tugger" Tugnutt|1987|2003|188|245|-57
Denis Herron|1972|1985|150|208|-58
Howie "Holes" Lockhart|1916|1924|73|132|-59
Pete Lopresti|1974|1980|44|105|-61
Verner "Jumpin' Jakie" Forbes|1919|1932|187|248|-61
Chuck "Wandering Scotsman" Gardiner|1927|1933|160|222|-62
Dwayne "Roli The Goalie" Roloson|1996|2010|193|255|-62
Ken "Tubby" Mcauley|1943|1944|23|86|-63
Michel Dion|1974|1984|125|188|-63
Al "Ally" Rollins|1949|1959|149|215|-66
Kevin "Shady 80" Weekes|1997|2008|100|167|-67
Greg "The Dog" Millen|1978|1991|220|291|-71
Dunc "The Rebel" Wilson|1969|1978|83|156|-73
Cesare "Hail Cesare" Maniago|1960|1977|201|276|-75
Marc "M.D." Denis|1996|2008|104|180|-76
Mike "Iron Mike" Karakas|1935|1945|160|236|-76
Jim "Roach" Rutherford|1970|1982|156|235|-79
Jeff "Hack" Hackett|1988|2003|167|247|-80
Gilles "The Saviour" Meloche|1970|1987|278|362|-84
Roy "Shrimp" Worters|1925|1936|268|356|-88
Samuel "Sammy" Hebert|1913|1923|75|167|-92
Chuck "Bonnie Prince Charlie" Rayner|1940|1952|166|258|-92
Gary "Suitcase" Smith|1965|1979|184|281|-97
Ron "Low-Tide" Low|1972|1984|105|209|-104
Joe "Red Light" Miller|1927|1930|39|145|-106
Bill Beveridge|1929|1942|135|252|-117


OTL equal Loss
OTW equal Win
SOW and SOL equal Tie

* - Leagues: NHA - PCHA - WHL/WCHL - NHL - WHA​
 

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Yeah, Gary Croteau was going to be the next guy on the list - twelve seasons and he spent 10 games in 69-70 with a good Detroit team... other than that...

2 stints with bad Kings teams
4 years with the Seals
both seasons with Kansas City
and 4 with the transplanted Rockies.

Wow.

Ironically, his rookie year with the Kings he was called up and scored 5 goals in 11 games as LA made the playoffs, then went on to score three times in 11 playoff games including the 7-game series with the Seals!

By the way, thanks for the charts, Pnep
 
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I think Walt McKechnie probably played with the most different number of bad teams (7), and for the most years (16).

Played the first 4 years of the Minnesota Northstars franchise, all losing seasons although some were worse than others.

3 years with the Seals

3 years with awful mid-70's Detroit teams

Split 77-78 between two losers, Washington and Cleveland

2 seasons with the Rockies

and finished his career with 2 seasons with awful early 80's Redwing teams...

the only exceptions being two years with Toronto in which they went 34-33-13 and 35-40-5 and half a season with the 74-75 Bruins (40-26-14)...

WOW

That's some kind of career.
 

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Walt McKechnie also deserves some recognition. 955 games in the regular season 15 in the playoffs. Made the playoffs as a late season call up as a rookie and only made them one other time. He moved around a lot and played for just about every bad team there was during the 70's and early 80's.
 

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Denis Maruk? Played on 4 playoff teams in 14 years. Played on such dynasties as the California Seals, Cleveland Barons and Washington Capitals pre-Rod Langway. Minnesota was alright later in the 1980s but that was it. The knock on Maruk is that he had a reputation of caring more about his point totals than team success.

How about Jay Bouwmeester? Up until 2008 I'd say Marc Savard too.
 

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Goalies, Best and Worst "Total Regular Season W-L Dif." (1909-10/2010-11*, Numbers adjusted for schedule length)

Goalie|First Season|Last Season|ADJ W|ADJ L|ADJ DIF
Patrick "St Patrick" Roy|1984|2002|562|327|235
Martin "Marty" Brodeur|1991|2010|601|370|231
Ken "Octopus" Dryden|1970|1978|265|59|206
Jacques "Jake The Snake" Plante|1952|1974|479|278|201
Clint "Praying Bennie" Benedict|1912|1929|597|397|200
George "Little George" Hainsworth|1923|1936|464|283|181
Andy "Peaches" Moog|1980|1997|384|220|164
Chris "Ozzy" Osgood|1993|2010|400|238|162
Ed "The Eagle" Belfour|1988|2006|492|333|159
Dominik "The Dominator" Hasek|1990|2007|393|234|159
Gerry "Cheesey" Cheevers|1961|1979|346|192|154
Cecil "Tiny" Thompson|1928|1939|410|278|132
Bill "The Mirror Man" Durnan|1943|1949|253|129|124
Terry "Ukey" Sawchuk|1949|1969|481|358|123
Mike "Vernie" Vernon|1982|2001|402|279|123
Tony "Tony O" Esposito|1968|1983|432|310|122
Grant "Coco" Fuhr|1981|1999|408|303|105
Frank "Mr Zero" Brimsek|1938|1949|325|222|103
Curtis "Cujo" Joseph|1989|2008|461|361|100
Turk "Old Slippery" Broda|1936|1951|376|279|97
Pete "Grumpy" Peeters|1978|1990|252|159|93
Tom "Tomcat" Barrasso|1983|2002|372|281|91
Glenn "Mr. Goalie" Hall|1952|1970|426|337|89
Ron "Hexy" Hextall|1986|1998|309|221|88
Lorne "Chabotsky" Chabot|1926|1936|306|221|85
Ed "Steady Eddie" Giacomin|1965|1977|297|213|84
Dave "Davey" Kerr|1930|1940|294|214|80
Evgeni "Nabby" Nabokov|1999|2009|274|194|80
Reggie "Let-Em-In" Lemelin|1978|1992|242|166|76
Bernie "Barnyard" Parent|1965|1978|314|239|75
Rick "Wammer" Wamsley|1980|1992|209|134|75
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Phil Myre|1969|1982|154|205|-51
Gerry "Fastest Glove In The West" Desjardins|1968|1977|137|191|-54
Earl Robertson|1936|1941|85|140|-55
Ron "Tugger" Tugnutt|1987|2003|188|245|-57
Denis Herron|1972|1985|150|208|-58
Howie "Holes" Lockhart|1916|1924|73|132|-59
Pete Lopresti|1974|1980|44|105|-61
Verner "Jumpin' Jakie" Forbes|1919|1932|187|248|-61
Chuck "Wandering Scotsman" Gardiner|1927|1933|160|222|-62
Dwayne "Roli The Goalie" Roloson|1996|2010|193|255|-62
Ken "Tubby" Mcauley|1943|1944|23|86|-63
Michel Dion|1974|1984|125|188|-63
Al "Ally" Rollins|1949|1959|149|215|-66
Kevin "Shady 80" Weekes|1997|2008|100|167|-67
Greg "The Dog" Millen|1978|1991|220|291|-71
Dunc "The Rebel" Wilson|1969|1978|83|156|-73
Cesare "Hail Cesare" Maniago|1960|1977|201|276|-75
Marc "M.D." Denis|1996|2008|104|180|-76
Mike "Iron Mike" Karakas|1935|1945|160|236|-76
Jim "Roach" Rutherford|1970|1982|156|235|-79
Jeff "Hack" Hackett|1988|2003|167|247|-80
Gilles "The Saviour" Meloche|1970|1987|278|362|-84
Roy "Shrimp" Worters|1925|1936|268|356|-88
Samuel "Sammy" Hebert|1913|1923|75|167|-92
Chuck "Bonnie Prince Charlie" Rayner|1940|1952|166|258|-92
Gary "Suitcase" Smith|1965|1979|184|281|-97
Ron "Low-Tide" Low|1972|1984|105|209|-104
Joe "Red Light" Miller|1927|1930|39|145|-106
Bill Beveridge|1929|1942|135|252|-117


OTL equal Loss
OTW equal Win
SOW and SOL equal Tie

* - Leagues: NHA - PCHA - WHL/WCHL - NHL - WHA​

Dude, please the bad nicknames for Chris Berman.....Bonnie Prince Charlie? I'm a big Bruins fan and I never once heard ANYONE, be it a fan, print media or tv announcer call Andy Moog "Peaches"......EVER. :shakehead
 

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Dude, please the bad nicknames for Chris Berman.....Bonnie Prince Charlie? I'm a big Bruins fan and I never once heard ANYONE, be it a fan, print media or tv announcer call Andy Moog "Peaches"......EVER. :shakehead


www.angelfire.com/id/goalienicknames/goalienicknames.html

# Andy Moog------"Papa Moog" "Peaches" "Moger" "Squeaky" "Dennis The Menace"

http://www.hockeygoalies.org/bio/rayner.html

Claude Earl (Chuck) "Bonnie Prince Charlie" Rayner
 

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