MarkusNaslund19
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Underrated Fleecings...
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Fish on The Sand
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Yep. That was a bad one. IMO Zubov is one of the best passing D-Men I've ever seen. Never mind getting rid of Zubie but to get back Hatcher drove me up the wall.
Just to work one in the Pens favor, I'll go with Joe Mullen for a 2nd round pick in 1990.
One Winged Angel
You Can't Escape
I could think of three for the Rangers.
1. The Pavel Bure deal in 2002. Bure for essentially a first round pick, being that Ivan Koltsov and Filip Novak still haven't seen NHL action
2. The Alexei Kovalev deal in 2003. Kovalev, LaCouture, Wilson and someone else for Fata, Lintner, Bouchard, and McKenna. Wow talk about about bad, even for a salary dump.
3. Jagr and half of his salary eaten by Washington for Anson Carter, straight up. My all time favorite. It's COMPLETELY backfired for Washington, not only are they still paying him over 4 million a year, but he just had one of the best seasons of his career for the Rangers, and Carter was then traded at the deadline for Jared Aulin, who still has not lived up to any potential he ever had.
I'll give three bad ones as well where the Rangers got fleeced...
1. The 96 Deadline Disaster. Ferraro, Lafayette, Norstrom, and Steve Larouche for McSorley, Kurri, and Churla. Killed any momentum we had as a team, and killed us in the playoffs. All 4 of those players we got were USELESS for us. Ferraro went on to have some good seasons elsewhere, and Norstrom became one of the league's best stay at home defenders. We got KILLED in this trade in hindsight.
2. Zubov and Nedved for Robitaille and Samuelsson. How do you trade a point per game defenseman who lead your team in scoring the season before for a guy who was just seperated from Gretzky, and wasn't scoring a whole lot anymore, and a defensive defenseman? Nevermind Nedved, I could have dealt without him, Messier was right about him the first time around, too soft, didn't work hard enough. Thank god the Pens then fleeced themselves and he ended up in Dallas.
3. Middleton for Hodge. The worst Ranger trade ever. Why? Because Middleton was still blooming, and had a world of potential, and Hodge, I thought, was an overrated player who got his points from playing with a great Boston offense that consisted of Esposito, Bucyk, Sanderson, Cashman, and Orr. Hodge had one ok season with the Rangers and did squat after that. Middleton went on to score over 400 goals and almost 1000 points. Not only that, but Middleton was 21, and Hodge was 32, we lost 11 years in that trade.
1. The Pavel Bure deal in 2002. Bure for essentially a first round pick, being that Ivan Koltsov and Filip Novak still haven't seen NHL action
2. The Alexei Kovalev deal in 2003. Kovalev, LaCouture, Wilson and someone else for Fata, Lintner, Bouchard, and McKenna. Wow talk about about bad, even for a salary dump.
3. Jagr and half of his salary eaten by Washington for Anson Carter, straight up. My all time favorite. It's COMPLETELY backfired for Washington, not only are they still paying him over 4 million a year, but he just had one of the best seasons of his career for the Rangers, and Carter was then traded at the deadline for Jared Aulin, who still has not lived up to any potential he ever had.
I'll give three bad ones as well where the Rangers got fleeced...
1. The 96 Deadline Disaster. Ferraro, Lafayette, Norstrom, and Steve Larouche for McSorley, Kurri, and Churla. Killed any momentum we had as a team, and killed us in the playoffs. All 4 of those players we got were USELESS for us. Ferraro went on to have some good seasons elsewhere, and Norstrom became one of the league's best stay at home defenders. We got KILLED in this trade in hindsight.
2. Zubov and Nedved for Robitaille and Samuelsson. How do you trade a point per game defenseman who lead your team in scoring the season before for a guy who was just seperated from Gretzky, and wasn't scoring a whole lot anymore, and a defensive defenseman? Nevermind Nedved, I could have dealt without him, Messier was right about him the first time around, too soft, didn't work hard enough. Thank god the Pens then fleeced themselves and he ended up in Dallas.
3. Middleton for Hodge. The worst Ranger trade ever. Why? Because Middleton was still blooming, and had a world of potential, and Hodge, I thought, was an overrated player who got his points from playing with a great Boston offense that consisted of Esposito, Bucyk, Sanderson, Cashman, and Orr. Hodge had one ok season with the Rangers and did squat after that. Middleton went on to score over 400 goals and almost 1000 points. Not only that, but Middleton was 21, and Hodge was 32, we lost 11 years in that trade.
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DaveG
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from a Canes fans pov.
To Florida: Sandis Ozolinsh, Byron Ritchie
To Carolina: Bret Hedican, Kevyn Adams, Tomas Malec
Hedican and Adams have provided the Canes with steady play and leadership the past few years, and Malec was traded along with a 3rd round pick for Martin Gerber, who had the most wins in a single season for a Canes goalie last year.
To Florida: Sandis Ozolinsh, Byron Ritchie
To Carolina: Bret Hedican, Kevyn Adams, Tomas Malec
Hedican and Adams have provided the Canes with steady play and leadership the past few years, and Malec was traded along with a 3rd round pick for Martin Gerber, who had the most wins in a single season for a Canes goalie last year.
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In what was basically a three-team trade in January 1971, the Flyers got Rick MacLeish (who played about 11 seasons in Philadelphia and was arguably their best PO forward in the two Cup wins), Toronto got Bernie Parent (who played 65 games there before going to the WHA and eventually back to the Flyers) and Boston got Shaky Walton (who played there until the WHA started in 1972-73).
There were other components to the trade (TO got a 2nd round pick that landed them Rick Kehoe, who gained fame with Pittsburgh) and the Flyers got Bruce Gamble, Pierre Plante (with a 1st round pick) and Danny Schock. The trade from the Leafs and Flyers perspective can be further analyzed with future deals like Plante eventually going to St. Louis in the Moose Dupont trade and Kehoe going to Pittsburgh for Blaine Stoughton, (and a pick) who eventually went to the WHA and then the Whalers in the expansion draft.
There were other components to the trade (TO got a 2nd round pick that landed them Rick Kehoe, who gained fame with Pittsburgh) and the Flyers got Bruce Gamble, Pierre Plante (with a 1st round pick) and Danny Schock. The trade from the Leafs and Flyers perspective can be further analyzed with future deals like Plante eventually going to St. Louis in the Moose Dupont trade and Kehoe going to Pittsburgh for Blaine Stoughton, (and a pick) who eventually went to the WHA and then the Whalers in the expansion draft.
Sturminator
Love is a duel
It's a bit early yet to call this one, but the Owen Nolan trade that sent him to the Leafs has the makings of an all-time bad deal.
To Toronto:
Owen Nolan
To San Jose:
Brad Boyes
Alyn McCauley
Toronto 1st in 2003
Three plus years later, the deal just keeps getting worse for Toronto. Nolan was lousy for them in the playoffs (2 assists in seven games), mediocre in the following season and then cost ownership millions of dollars in salary during the lockout due to the silly contract the Sharks had signed him to that guaranteed him a paycheck in the event of a labor stoppage. After the lockout, the team had to deal with the headache of Nolan's well-publicized injury woes and the resulting legal tiff, which effectively ended his stint in Toronto.
On the other side, Brad Boyes had a breakout season last year and looks like a good #2 center who may develop into a #1 in time. McCauley had a couple of decent years in San Jose, nothing special, and has since moved on to Los Angeles. The 1st rounder was used in a package by the Sharks to move up and select Steve Bernier in the draft. The original Toronto pick (#21 overall) was used to select Mark Stuart. The book hasn't been written on Bernier and Stuart yet (not sure which we should evaluate in looking at the deal), but both have looked good so far in their first taste of NHL ice. If one or both develop into stars, Leafs fans will look back on the Nolan deal as a backbreaker.
To Toronto:
Owen Nolan
To San Jose:
Brad Boyes
Alyn McCauley
Toronto 1st in 2003
Three plus years later, the deal just keeps getting worse for Toronto. Nolan was lousy for them in the playoffs (2 assists in seven games), mediocre in the following season and then cost ownership millions of dollars in salary during the lockout due to the silly contract the Sharks had signed him to that guaranteed him a paycheck in the event of a labor stoppage. After the lockout, the team had to deal with the headache of Nolan's well-publicized injury woes and the resulting legal tiff, which effectively ended his stint in Toronto.
On the other side, Brad Boyes had a breakout season last year and looks like a good #2 center who may develop into a #1 in time. McCauley had a couple of decent years in San Jose, nothing special, and has since moved on to Los Angeles. The 1st rounder was used in a package by the Sharks to move up and select Steve Bernier in the draft. The original Toronto pick (#21 overall) was used to select Mark Stuart. The book hasn't been written on Bernier and Stuart yet (not sure which we should evaluate in looking at the deal), but both have looked good so far in their first taste of NHL ice. If one or both develop into stars, Leafs fans will look back on the Nolan deal as a backbreaker.
nomorekids
The original, baby
To Ottawa:
Christer Olsson
To St. Louis:
Pavol Demitra
Olsson went on to finish the 1996-97 season with Ottawa and then hasn't played another NHL game since. Meanwhile a rookie Demitra began a career that would see him score 20+ goals and average ~1 point per game in each season. And still counting...
Christer Olsson
To St. Louis:
Pavol Demitra
Olsson went on to finish the 1996-97 season with Ottawa and then hasn't played another NHL game since. Meanwhile a rookie Demitra began a career that would see him score 20+ goals and average ~1 point per game in each season. And still counting...
Classic Devil
Spirit of 1988
I NEVER knew a 2nd round pick can be a locker room cancer
. How does a 2nd round pick even look? 
Alberta Yote
Owns the Yotes
Flyers - Coyotes
Boucher for Handzus and Esche
Flyer now have Calder and Esche and Boucher can hardly find a job.
Boucher for Handzus and Esche
Flyer now have Calder and Esche and Boucher can hardly find a job.
Was going to post this trade. Just brutal, esp. considering how well Demitra would have fit on the Sens.
Patty Ice
Straight to the Banc
Larry Murphy was given to Detroit from the Leafs at the 1997 trade deadline. Murphy goes on to win 2 more Stanley Cups. Thank you Toronto.
Big fleecing where Detroit gets destroyed. Mckegney and Federko for Oates and Maclean. Oates goes on to become an all-star playing until 2004 or so. Mckegney and Federko retire like a year later.
Big fleecing where Detroit gets destroyed. Mckegney and Federko for Oates and Maclean. Oates goes on to become an all-star playing until 2004 or so. Mckegney and Federko retire like a year later.
I NEVER knew a 2nd round pick can be a locker room cancer
I'll toss this one out there. In '97 the San Jose Sharks traded Viktor Kozlov to the Florida Panthers for a first round pick. The Panthers finished near the bottom and ended up "winning" the lottery. The Sharks made a side deal with Tampa and ended up with the #2 pick and Bryan Marchment. They then traded down another spot with Nashville to get the #3 and #29 picks which were Brad Stuart and Jonathan Cheechoo.
So net result: Kozlov => Cheechoo, Stuart, Marchment
Net loss to Florida: Lecavalier => Kozlov
So net result: Kozlov => Cheechoo, Stuart, Marchment
Net loss to Florida: Lecavalier => Kozlov
Grosek for Gilmour and Dumont.
Gilmour really helped Buffalo overcome the peca lockout and Dumont had a good run with Buffalo.
Gilmour really helped Buffalo overcome the peca lockout and Dumont had a good run with Buffalo.
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