GDT: UFC 238: Cejudo vs. Moraes
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He's a prize fighter but he calls out Cruz and Faber by name. They haven't fought in years.
pistolpete11
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My point is that you don't know Khabib is a better grappler, let alone a better MMA fighter. Tony is a national champion wrestler and a legit BJJ belt belt. Khabib has never faced anyone like that. I admit that Tony has never faced anyone like Khabib either, but I'm not the one pretending like I know what would happen between 2 world class MMA fighters.
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So let me get this straight, not liking phony people who say stupid ridiculous things makes me lame? If so I'm perfectly fine with being lame.You must be the life of every party
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It was cringe before that. I watched his TUF with Joey B (for some reason). Joey B. was cringe. Cejudo was 10x as cringey.
See below. Unless you're into WWE, it's so fake and gross.
Technically...he did. Cejudo-TJ was at 125lbs.
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I'm not pretending to know anything. I'm just giving my opinion which in this case is an opinion I feel very strongly about. If they fight and I end up being wrong I will own my words.
Also, referring to Ferguson as a national champion wrestler is a bit misleading. He won one NCWA championship, not an NCAA championship. NCWA wrestling is a step down from division 2 and division 3 wrestling, and several steps down from division 1 wrestling.
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Prize fighters call out big names. Then fight those big names for big money... past their prime.
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The below quotes suggest otherwise.
I'm not saying he's on Khabib's level of wrestling or anywhere close. But has Khabib fought anyone with Tony's wrestling credentials in MMA? Let alone his BJJ credentials? And Tony's likely striking advantage?
Again, I'm not saying Tony wins. I'm saying I have no idea. Which makes it a hell of a fight. Hopefully we get to see it eventually.
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Crazy impressive performance by Cejudo. My main event prediction was looking pretty good after one round but then Cejudo flipped a switch and just mauled Moraes. I don't know if Moraes was hurt, tired, or both but he had no response after Cejudo applied the pressure instead of sitting back. Cejudo's list made absolutely no sense though and he should probably be fighting Yan or Sterling next at 135.
Valentina might've taken the lead for KO of the year or she's at least in the conversation. I don't think she has any competition at 125 but this was only her first defense so I'm okay with seeing her put on some of these performances until either someone emerges as a threat or it's time for another 135 fight. She gave Nunes her toughest fight in some time and many people thought she actually beat her.
Ferguson started slow but looked great in the second round. I don't really get why there's talk of an immediate rematch when it was Ferguson who caused all that damage and the fight to be stopped. He hit Cerrone with the late punch but that had nothing to do with the eventual stoppage and I think that's a legit TKO. Ferguson should be fighting the winner of Khabib/Poirier.
Yan looked pretty good against a very tough opponent. He's legit.
Not the type of performance I expected from Suarez and she might still have some work to do so another fight against a top contender might not be a bad idea. I also wouldn't be opposed to her getting the next title shot.
Great card overall.
Valentina might've taken the lead for KO of the year or she's at least in the conversation. I don't think she has any competition at 125 but this was only her first defense so I'm okay with seeing her put on some of these performances until either someone emerges as a threat or it's time for another 135 fight. She gave Nunes her toughest fight in some time and many people thought she actually beat her.
Ferguson started slow but looked great in the second round. I don't really get why there's talk of an immediate rematch when it was Ferguson who caused all that damage and the fight to be stopped. He hit Cerrone with the late punch but that had nothing to do with the eventual stoppage and I think that's a legit TKO. Ferguson should be fighting the winner of Khabib/Poirier.
Yan looked pretty good against a very tough opponent. He's legit.
Not the type of performance I expected from Suarez and she might still have some work to do so another fight against a top contender might not be a bad idea. I also wouldn't be opposed to her getting the next title shot.
Great card overall.
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Pretty cringe
I blame McGregor for all of that. Everybody wants to trash talk like him, but they just can't.
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Very entertaining card. Top three fights kind of went how I thought - Cejudo is just on another level, Shevchenko would get the finish and Ferguson just too good for Cowboy.
Cejudo's act is definitely weird, but whatever.. I can live with that. What was very annoying was his callouts like it was 2016. Two guys in Sterling & Yan put on amazing performances yet you call out 3 guys who haven't won a fight since 2016. Just a brutal missed opportunity by him.
Cejudo's act is definitely weird, but whatever.. I can live with that. What was very annoying was his callouts like it was 2016. Two guys in Sterling & Yan put on amazing performances yet you call out 3 guys who haven't won a fight since 2016. Just a brutal missed opportunity by him.
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Off course he has a chance. His hands are great and he can tag Khabib and with his cardio he can go forever.
I think Khabib mauls him but Ferguson absolutely has a shot.
If you consider him landing a lucky shot or something to be “a chance” then sure. I don’t think it’s a legitimate one though.
Khabib mauls him for 5 rounds imo.
I’d rather see him knocked unconscious ala Jessica eye, but would be satisfied with a 5 round mauling
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Anybody who says to another man in an argument, who is going through a divorce and custody battle for their son ''where's your kid at'' is a POS of epic levels.
Khabib will absolutely maul him.
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You lost all credibility on the topic of wrestling credentials when you called Ferguson a ''national champion wrestler.''
I coach youth wrestling in Pennsylvania and am around the varsity team a lot. I know plenty of kids who haven't even won a high school state championship in PA who have wrestled at a higher level in college than Ferguson. Winning one NCWA championship isn't that big a deal because the competition level is so low. PA is and has been one of the top HS wrestling states in the world and top to bottom when you get to Hershey in March is tougher competition than the NCWA. Anyone who is anyone as a wrestler is wrestling for a division 1 school, or at the very least a high end division 2 or 3 school.
Put Fegruson on the mat with the Retherfords, Nolfs, and Yannis of the world and he gets completely out classed and smoked. Same result will happen in the octagon with Khabib if wrestling is a major factor. Hell, Kevin Lee (who also wrestled in the NCWA) took Ferguson down quite easily and even had him mounted at one point. Ferguson was able to submit him but Khabib's grappling is on a completely different level than Lee's.
Don't want to take my word for it? Perhaps you would listen to an actual two time NCAA champion and two time runner up, Ben Askren, who said that Khabib is the best MMA wrestler of all time.
''Ranked Top 10 All-Time in NCAA History. Askren put together an impressive collegiate career that saw him advance to the finals of the 174-pound weight class four times and capturing the national title in each of his last two seasons at Mizzou (2006 and 2007).''
"When Khabib gets you down [on the floor], your life is going to be miserable. Khabib has more effectively implemented his wresting in mixed martial arts than anyone in the last 25 years", Askren said.
Russia's Khabib Named Number One Wrestler in UFC History
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There was a time when I thought Ferguson was a bad matchup for Khabib, but that was some time ago. I do think that if Ferguson could get through the first 10-15 minutes he would have a shot.
The template to beat Khabib is fairly simple - a great defensive wrestler with good stand-up. A modern Chuck Liddell, in essence.
The closest guy to that isn't Ferguson. If I had to pick someone right now it would probably be Justin Gaethje. Maybe Gregor Gillespie in a year or two. I obviously would pick Khabib to win those fights, but I think Gaethje keeps things interesting.
The template to beat Khabib is fairly simple - a great defensive wrestler with good stand-up. A modern Chuck Liddell, in essence.
The closest guy to that isn't Ferguson. If I had to pick someone right now it would probably be Justin Gaethje. Maybe Gregor Gillespie in a year or two. I obviously would pick Khabib to win those fights, but I think Gaethje keeps things interesting.
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You lost all credibility when you said that you're not pretending to know what would happen and then when presented with 4 quotes where your are pretending to know what would happen, just ignore it and go to the "I coach youth wrestling, so I know more than you" argument.
You're completely missing the point anyway.
Bringing up Tony's wrestling credentials is not me saying that he's a better wrestler than Khabib or doubting Khabib's wrestling in any way. It's saying he has more of a background in wrestling than anyone Khabib was fought in the UFC. Which reasons that he might not have as easy of a time getting and keeping down Tony as he has other guys.
Plus, Tony's BJJ is better than anyone else Khabib has faced and via Eddie Bravo has already said he'd look to be offensive on the ground. Everyone else Khabib has faced just tried to get back to their feet.
Plus his striking, his knack for busting guys up, his endurance, his durability, his fearlessness....Khabib is a monster, but Tony presents problems.
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Khabib has only finished 2 of his UFC fights in less than 10 min and Tony's tough to put away. I would not be surprised at all if Khabib wins, but I'd be surprised if he finished him early.
Does this mean great TDD? Or the ability to get back up when taken down?
The former, we've already seen how that plays out. Barboza has great TDD, but Khabib is too good. He's going to get pretty much everybody down at some point, so you've got to be able to handle yourself on the ground.
The latter, I agree. Gaethje would be an interesting fight with his wrestling, striking, and ability to take a beating. Tony's wrestling isn't on the same level as Gaethje, but I would be interested to see his BJJ against Khabib. Even if he doesn't catch Khabib with something, it might cause Khabib to adjust which could give Tony openings to get back up. That's if he's not able to just get back up. Raging Al was able to get up a few times. I think he was just too cautious on the feet because he was afraid of getting taken down again. Which is something else that would make Tony an interesting opponent. He does some wild and crazy shit in there sometimes. I wouldn't expect him to change that just because he's afraid it would end up on the ground.
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I didn't address it because I already had and you simply weren't satisfied with my response.
You are way out of your league if you want to have a discussion with me about wrestling. High school, collegiate, international, or how wrestling translates into MMA. That is my world. Furthermore, the fact that you referred to Ferguson as a ''national champion wrestler'' tells me you don't know much about this world. If you did you wouldn't be selling one NCWA championship as a national championship or high level wrestling credentials. Pretty obvious to me you know nothing about NCWA versus NCAA wrestling and the massive level of disparity in competition from one to the other. High level HS wrestling in a state like PA is better competition than NCWA is. This is exactly why a kid like Spencer Lee can get 2nd in PA as a senior and then go to Iowa and win NCAA titles as a freshman and sophomore.
I'm not missing the point at all. Ferguson's wrestling background isn't what you think it is and thus it's not a factor so your point goes to crap right away.
Gleisan Thibeau has a better and more successful wrestling background than Ferguson does and he has fought Khabib.
So Khabib is going to have a hard time getting Ferguson down and keeping him down, even though a far inferior wrestler to him in Kevin Lee took Ferguson down more than once and even mounted him at one point.
Like I said him and Eddie Bravo and Royce Gracie and the ghost of Helio Gracie can come up with a plan all they want. It's not going to do much good when he's getting smothered, pounded, and mauled by a bigger, stronger, tougher Khabib. That is Khabib's world and he owns it. Since you ignored it last time I will bring it up again, if you don't believe me you can take Ben Askren's word for it.
Khabib has every bit the endurance, pace, and durability that Ferguson does. Ferguson is a much better technical striker than Khabib, but it won't matter when he gets taken down like everyone else. That is the point that you keep missing or choosing to ignore. But please, tell me again about Ferguson's impressive wrestling background and how he's a ''national champion wrestler.''
