Value of: UFAs from the Devils
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Palms would be a good winger for Barzal. But NYI doesn't have much to trade without completely dismantling the future and I'm not sure if they'd be able to find the space to re-sign him.
Oh well.
Oh well.
MichaelJ
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We should be keeping the defensemen and trying to re-sign them. Murray can be a top4 for the Devils going forward and Kulikov-Vatanen can hold down the bottom pairing until the organization can develop replacements. Butcher can go and should...he could find decent opportunities elsewhere.
Palmieri: Personally wouldn't mind extending him. Trade comp might be similar to what Tyler Toffoli got last year (Tyler Madden + 2nd rounder).
Gusev: Personally not a huge fan and I don't know how many playoff teams where he'd crack somebody's top six. Maybe there's a team who would be interested in extending him since he doesn't need to be protected for Seattle.
Zajac: We'd probably need to eat a sizable chunk of the cap hit. Plus we'll see if Zajac is interested in moving. We got a late 2nd for Brian Boyle a couple deadlines ago, so maybe something in that ballpark.
Vatanen: Probably similar to last deadline, late 2nd or comparable prospect (Kuokkanen)
Murray/Kulikov: Maybe a third/fourth rounder (Demelo/Lovejoy territory). Wouldn't mind extending Murray depending on his asking price.
Gusev: Personally not a huge fan and I don't know how many playoff teams where he'd crack somebody's top six. Maybe there's a team who would be interested in extending him since he doesn't need to be protected for Seattle.
Zajac: We'd probably need to eat a sizable chunk of the cap hit. Plus we'll see if Zajac is interested in moving. We got a late 2nd for Brian Boyle a couple deadlines ago, so maybe something in that ballpark.
Vatanen: Probably similar to last deadline, late 2nd or comparable prospect (Kuokkanen)
Murray/Kulikov: Maybe a third/fourth rounder (Demelo/Lovejoy territory). Wouldn't mind extending Murray depending on his asking price.
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Think Gusev could be a nice fit in Pittsburgh with Zucker injured
Not sure what the cost would be, but wouldn’t be interested for much more than a 2nd rounder in terms of picks
Have some spare LD if that makes more sense
Not sure what the cost would be, but wouldn’t be interested for much more than a 2nd rounder in terms of picks
Have some spare LD if that makes more sense
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Has he been that bad? I know the stats aren’t great
Would be looking at him as a third wheel to Malkin/Rust and as a shooter in the Ovi/Kesssel spot on the powerplay
He didn't start the season great (the same like in the last season), and now he plays with someone like Zajac, so chances for getting on the scoring sheet aren't that great.
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How has Murray been? What do you think his next contract looks like? I assume a health over the course of this season will have a big influence on that.
I’d guess somewhere around 2nd + 4th but i don’t think Zajac will get traded as he has a NTC if IRC
Yeah, he has been this year. I know he scored a bunch of points last year so with Malkin and Rust, who knows, maybe it works. He's a very unorthodox player, and honestly if you just watch a shift or two you wouldn't think he's an NHL caliber hockey player.
Maybe he just needs to be on a line where other guys can do the heavy lifting. He's brutal in transition, but last year at least he could score. This year, not so much.
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I hope the Devils keep Murray and Kulikov. Vatanen id keep as well if he can regain his form from last year.
The rest can go. Palms is too streaky and isn’t doing much at all if he doesn’t score.
An ideal replacement for Palms would be someone like Burakovsky. Young(ish) winger with a shot first mentality.
The rest can go. Palms is too streaky and isn’t doing much at all if he doesn’t score.
An ideal replacement for Palms would be someone like Burakovsky. Young(ish) winger with a shot first mentality.
the ask probably starts at zajac's end. rumor is he was approached last season by fitz, if he would welcome a trade. he wasn't traded. maybe the right offer was missing or he decided to stay with his only nhl team. from the outside there seems to be a lot of mutual respect. so i think any trade would be with the consent of zajac.
the devils organizational need is rhd. so the ask is makar and you add from there.
i haven't followed timmins lately, but there was some discussion about him last season, when hall was on the market. seems like colorado fans have been more willing to discuss him in trade proposals, but i fear his value is still higher than rental zajac. helleson would be a name generating a lot of interest, but his hot sophomore season push him probably out of the price range.
green generated a 2nd round pick. colorado's 2nd most likely would have been a late one, but isn't available for the next two drafts. late third is not a sexy return. i am not sure, if colorado is the dance partner.
Gusev is off to a slow start like a lot of players time will tell with him it could be the system....I think he would be a good pick up for Pittsburgh imo....He got some garbage points lately hopefully that gets him going.
Gusev has the highest skill set but is not fast and he is not getting opportunities on lines with high skilled players
Palms is a strict shooter. That’s how he scores 30 goals in a season. He will always shoot even if a cross seam or back door play is open, he is taking the shot. Gusev is the opposite - he tries to make those passes or force them at times. He has a decent shot when he uses it.
palms pros:
Shooting
Speed
Physical
cons:
Vision
Creativity
Gusev pros:
Vision
Creativity
Playmaking
cons:
Speed
Physical
Palms is a strict shooter. That’s how he scores 30 goals in a season. He will always shoot even if a cross seam or back door play is open, he is taking the shot. Gusev is the opposite - he tries to make those passes or force them at times. He has a decent shot when he uses it.
palms pros:
Shooting
Speed
Physical
cons:
Vision
Creativity
Gusev pros:
Vision
Creativity
Playmaking
cons:
Speed
Physical
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Does it have to be a RHD? Avs have some forwards that might work too, like Beaucage for example.the ask probably starts at zajac's end. rumor is he was approached last season by fitz, if he would welcome a trade. he wasn't traded. maybe the right offer was missing or he decided to stay with his only nhl team. from the outside there seems to be a lot of mutual respect. so i think any trade would be with the consent of zajac.
the devils organizational need is rhd. so the ask is makar and you add from there.
i haven't followed timmins lately, but there was some discussion about him last season, when hall was on the market. seems like colorado fans have been more willing to discuss him in trade proposals, but i fear his value is still higher than rental zajac. helleson would be a name generating a lot of interest, but his hot sophomore season push him probably out of the price range.
green generated a 2nd round pick. colorado's 2nd most likely would have been a late one, but isn't available for the next two drafts. late third is not a sexy return. i am not sure, if colorado is the dance partner.
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Monsieur Verdoux
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This is pretty fair estimation of their value. But I wonder is Murray closer to Greene than Lovejoy? If he is, I wouldn't be surprised if someone offers a 2nd rounder for him.
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This!
Damon Severson and Pavel Zacha can't be the "vets" on this team!
Palms won't be alot to sign as hes home, covid, cap crunch. As long as he does not want some stupid term/cap
I say keep Goose too but that's just me.
Zajac can be returned and go play for lou lams for something
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Yeah, I wouldn't mind if Fitzy tries to re-sign Murray and Kulikov or Vatanen. Of course it would be better if he can trade someone better than Kulikov or Vatanen, or some of our prospects can play in the NHL next season, but they are still good options.
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I expect Gusev to get moved for a 2nd. Could boost value if he starts contributing on the stat sheet, but I don't see it with how the roster is constructed. Every single forward outside of Palms has a below average shot....and Gusev needs shooters to flourish.
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I think something like:
To NJ: Riikola and 2021 2nd
To PIT: Gusev (50% retained) and a 2021 4th
Could make a lot of sense for both sides, especially if Jersey is moving out UFA defensemen
Ideally Pittsburgh could move out a body if they’re adding a roster player and Riikola deserves a chance to play somewhere, he’s a solid #6
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