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Lebowski

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Gio is fine if you temper your expectations. At this point in his career, he provides decent secondary scoring on the middle-six of pretty much any team in the league. He brings some leadership to the table as well. He's overpaid, but he's still serviceable.

Diaz has looked pretty good in the last few games, in my opinion. I hate Therrien for sheltering Subban's minutes, but I think it allowed Diaz to make pretty big strides on his defensive game. He's a decent PMD/set-up man as well. Give him 1st PP minutes with Subban and he'd be a .5+ PPG player easily. I'd like him back on the team for a 2-3 years contract for anything below 3.5M/year.
 

LyricalLyricist

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Diaz and Gionta are fairly good players, just depth at this point.

Murray and Boullion are fillers. Both can play but boullion is playing way more than he should.

Desharnais is just bad. For whatever reason, he's just playing like he doesn't belong.
 

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Do you watch the games? Gio is not half as bad as you make him out to be. Despite his size and tears in both his biceps, he's still good for 20 goals and his defensive awareness is very useful on this team. Him and Plek shut down top lines. Whether he comes back next season depends on the progression of the youngins imho.

Agree with mostly everything else. If Diaz were just a bit bigger / stronger he'd be a good top 4 defense man. At this point I see him as a 5th or 6th on a good team.

Agreed on Diaz. I think he has a place on this team, but I think he's ideally a bottom pairing guy who works the second powerplay. If the team gets better in the next few years and Diaz does not make crazy money, I would be more than fine if he were still around.
 

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Agreed on Diaz. I think he has a place on this team, but I think he's ideally a bottom pairing guy who works the second powerplay. If the team gets better in the next few years and Diaz does not make crazy money, I would be more than fine if he were still around.

Considering our 2nd wave is him and boullion, we cannot afford to lose him. Would be brutal.:laugh:
 

nilan30

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Considering our 2nd wave is him and boullion, we cannot afford to lose him. Would be brutal.:laugh:

I wonder why the Habs never seem to try a forward on the point on the PP. Plekanec just seems like a guy who would be good at it. Others do it/have done it in the past. I really don`t think it`s a good enough reason to keep Diaz around.
 

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I wonder why the Habs never seem to try a forward on the point on the PP. Plekanec just seems like a guy who would be good at it. Others do it/have done it in the past. I really don`t think it`s a good enough reason to keep Diaz around.

We tried during the 11-12 season with Plekanec it didn't work at all.
 

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I few things that worries me...

Gionta
He's the captain of the team yet he isn't even the 5th best player on the team. I remember Koivu giving everything every shift and never get caught out of position. Even with his small statue he out muscle most of his opponents. Brenden Gallagher reminds me of Koivu. At 34 years old, Koivu was still the best player on the team and never gave up. Gionta on the other hand at 34 is being out muscled and often looks lost. During a penalty kill, Gionta and Diaz forgot they were killing and all move toward Gorges to help him which left Okposo wide open and he had a walk in shot on Price. This is unacceptable for a captain and a defenceman. Gionta didn't generate any offense nor did he do anything to help in the defensive zone. He looks lost. For $5 million, I expected more.

Guy plays hard minutes. always in the mix, he has place on this team just not top 6 minutes

Desharnais
There's many threads on him so I'll keep it brief, he has lost all his confidence. The Bourque to Bournival to Desharnais pass was textbook yet Desharnais mistimed the puck and didn't get a shot. Another play was Mcdonald threw the puck in the middle and Desharnais carried it into Price which looked dangerous. Wrong team Desharnais. He's got Gomezed.

THATS AN INSULT TO GOMEZ--at least scotty did SOME things good. DD is just horrible. I laughed during the 1 CH24 where the lady calls him little--huge mistake on contract and who would take his play + contract NOBODY

Diaz
He hasn't been the same since that concussion. Still made some good plays but most of the time when he has the puck he doesn't know what to do with it. will be a good top 6 dman and good point shot on 2nd wave of PP

Boullion
Can Frankie please stop leading the rush, everytime he touches the puck I feel we lose momentum because he hangs on to it for way too long. he is put in a position to fail. MT not using this guy in right role. Why would we expect him to be 2nd wave PP specialist and yet MT does?? makes no sense

Murray
The last player as slow as Murray was uncle Peter Popovic.
filling a gap until Emelin comes back--I would rather let tinordi grow into it then let a vet use up cap space.
 

Rosso Scuderia

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We tried during the 11-12 season with Plekanec it didn't work at all.

It wasn't a disaster either. It's not like he lost the puck everytime and causing tons of breakaways. Just put him there to feed the puck... and shoot when he has the chance.

Also, IIRC, he scored a goal while playing on the point. He can't be worst than Bouillon anyways.
 

Lshap

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Diaz was struggling badly throughout October, but he's picked it up the past few games. Noticeable improvement. The pre-injury Diaz is valuable as a 2nd or 3rd pairing.

Gionta isn't lost. He's a smart player able to provide some production, who's limited somewhat by size, age and contract.

Murray's speed doesn't bother me as much as his friggin brain farts. There's a betting-line every time he plays the puck in back of Price. Will he not see the opposing forward swooping in? Will he lose the puck? It's been an adventure on every play. Love the human wall he puts up, but we need to see better, smarter puck sense.

Boullion has lost a step from last year. How many goals-against has him 10 feet away from the guy he's supposed to be covering?

Desharnais... really don't know what to say. Maybe we can play a drinking game each time he loses the puck. Nah... bad idea... nobody's liver can take that kind of abuse.
 

Lshap

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filling a gap until Emelin comes back--I would rather let tinordi grow into it then let a vet use up cap space.

I'd like to see this too, but I can only guess that Tinordi and Beaulieu are improving more in Hamilton than they would be with the Habs. I still expect to see both called up as the season progresses and some of those vets are traded.
 

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Yeah the official scorer shouldn't count the PP if we have Cube & DD on as clearly there is no man advantage, give away for free OBO

I like Gio but he's regressed to a 3rd liner that can maybe chip in 20, looks his shot has lost some velocity, been a while since I've seen him rip one past a goalie, most are tips or rebounds. Won't complain if he's back for cheap but not preferred

Diaz can be replaced internally IMO and should fetch an ok return, will probably cost too much to re-sign, either him or Gorges would need to move to fit Markov & PK

Murray, knows his limits but more importantly so does MT so ok as filler til JT is ready
 

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I few things that worries me...

Gionta
He's the captain of the team yet he isn't even the 5th best player on the team. I remember Koivu giving everything every shift and never get caught out of position. Even with his small statue he out muscle most of his opponents. Brenden Gallagher reminds me of Koivu. At 34 years old, Koivu was still the best player on the team and never gave up. Gionta on the other hand at 34 is being out muscled and often looks lost. During a penalty kill, Gionta and Diaz forgot they were killing and all move toward Gorges to help him which left Okposo wide open and he had a walk in shot on Price. This is unacceptable for a captain and a defenceman. Gionta didn't generate any offense nor did he do anything to help in the defensive zone. He looks lost. For $5 million, I expected more.

Desharnais
There's many threads on him so I'll keep it brief, he has lost all his confidence. The Bourque to Bournival to Desharnais pass was textbook yet Desharnais mistimed the puck and didn't get a shot. Another play was Mcdonald threw the puck in the middle and Desharnais carried it into Price which looked dangerous. Wrong team Desharnais. He's got Gomezed.

Diaz
He hasn't been the same since that concussion. Still made some good plays but most of the time when he has the puck he doesn't know what to do with it.

Boullion
Can Frankie please stop leading the rush, everytime he touches the puck I feel we lose momentum because he hangs on to it for way too long.

Murray
The last player as slow as Murray was uncle Peter Popovic.

Peter Popovic never hit as hard as Murray since he has been playing I find his play good I like him no complaints thus far :handclap:
 

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Murray's speed doesn't bother me as much as his friggin brain farts. There's a betting-line every time he plays the puck in back of Price. Will he not see the opposing forward swooping in? Will he lose the puck? It's been an adventure on every play. Love the human wall he puts up, but we need to see better, smarter puck sense.

You're that nervous, and the guy has a grand total of... 0 giveaway in 7 games.

When I say people have their minds all set on a player no matter what he does around here...
 

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I few things that worries me...

Gionta
He's the captain of the team yet he isn't even the 5th best player on the team. I remember Koivu giving everything every shift and never get caught out of position. Even with his small statue he out muscle most of his opponents. Brenden Gallagher reminds me of Koivu. At 34 years old, Koivu was still the best player on the team and never gave up. Gionta on the other hand at 34 is being out muscled and often looks lost. During a penalty kill, Gionta and Diaz forgot they were killing and all move toward Gorges to help him which left Okposo wide open and he had a walk in shot on Price. This is unacceptable for a captain and a defenceman. Gionta didn't generate any offense nor did he do anything to help in the defensive zone. He looks lost. For $5 million, I expected more.

Desharnais
There's many threads on him so I'll keep it brief, he has lost all his confidence. The Bourque to Bournival to Desharnais pass was textbook yet Desharnais mistimed the puck and didn't get a shot. Another play was Mcdonald threw the puck in the middle and Desharnais carried it into Price which looked dangerous. Wrong team Desharnais. He's got Gomezed.

Diaz
He hasn't been the same since that concussion. Still made some good plays but most of the time when he has the puck he doesn't know what to do with it.

Boullion
Can Frankie please stop leading the rush, everytime he touches the puck I feel we lose momentum because he hangs on to it for way too long.

Murray
The last player as slow as Murray was uncle Peter Popovic.

This whole post is off except for the Desharnais comment.

Gionta doesn't look out of place and he does give his all every shift. He still skates pretty fast and hounds the defense. Only problem is he is smaller and doesn't look intimating nor does he finish his checks. Also the way Montreal kills penalties is the way Diaz and Gionta were playing. They were playing it right it is just the way Montreal's strategy is and it is a risk when you collapse 3 players sometime 4 in that instance and swarm the other teams players in the corner.

I agree Diaz hasn't been the same but he isn't playing so bad that he is not trying at least he is trying but I almost guarantee you if he plays 17 mins instead of 20+ he won't be playing as bad.

Same goes with Frankie Boo who at his age shouldn't be out there for more than 16 mins. Bouillon is still a pretty good skater and can hit decently to. Only problem is that Therrien over works him.
 

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He was crosschecked and felled, and lost possession of the puck. The NHL website still hasn't added one single giveaway on him.
They are being kind, that goal was on him, but I have been quite impressed with his overall game, he is not mobile, but plays well positionally, and blocks shots, and is a stand up for your team kind of guy...:handclap:
 

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He was crosschecked and felled, and lost possession of the puck. The NHL website still hasn't added one single giveaway on him.

Their definition of a giveaway is a tape to tape pass to an opponent because their numbers don't make much sense.
Murray is a terrible Dman, you don't need to look at the numbers for that. There's a reason why he's only averaging 13min of ice time, being solid ain't it.
 

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I don't have a problem with Murray, he's a low-salary one-year experiment, filling a need despite his heavy boots.

As for the other 4, ideally, none of them should be back next year. But the Habs do love their manlets and enjoy showering them with roles and ice time they would not likely be getting elsewhere.

Bergevin, plus ça change, plus c'est la même mer...
 
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Andy

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Can't have Murray and Boullion play together at the same time. They can't cover each others mistakes. Murray makes less errors than Boullion. I'd much rather have him in the lineup when Emelin returns, but given his ice-time, looks like Therrien might bench him.

I quite like Gionta. He's become extremely underrated. If there is an opening next season and the Habs can't find better options, I'd very much like to see him back on the cheap side.

Diaz is a good stop gap until some of the young ones in Hamilton are ready. Ideally he's a solid number 5.
 

Blind Gardien

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The false narrative continues.

We are not losing games because of Murray.

In 6 games so far, Murray has ZERO giveaways. He is responsible with the puck and is effective at getting the puck out of the zone.
I continue to lose faith I never had in some of those extended stats. Can we think of any giveaway Murray might have made lately? Any of us who watched a game? hmmm. I think they get about 50% of what actually happens in a game, miss/mis-report the other 50%. It sort of gets you into a certain ballpark statistically over the course of a full season, but I don't feel like the NHL puts too much effort into this aspect of its operations, alas.
 

Blind Gardien

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So with Gorges and Emelin signed, and this call to re-sign 3 or 4 more existing defencemen, how does the club get better? This is why I have trouble with this plan.
I'm not sure I see that our D really needs to get much better? We have a Norris winner, top-5 special teams play, and sitting 4th in GA/G in the league right now? While not playing a particularly defense-focused system. Returning the incumbents is a pretty safe call, I'd say. It's more up front where attention is needed for overall improvement.
Diaz is not the kind of guy we need, in my opinion, and Murray is only filler until Tinordi is ready, which should be later this season.
Well, we needed Diaz this season with Emelin out, and he has stepped in admirably. What team goes all year without an injury in their top-4 anymore? I'd much rather have Diaz around to step up than feel like we have to make a last-minute Campoli signing or trade for a Drewiske or whatnot. It's a war of attrition on D in the modern NHL, and if you can load up, do it. There's a limit to the price you pay for that luxury, of course, but if it works out that you can manage it, why not.

Murray I can take or leave atm... Tinordi "should" be ready... what if he isn't... it's not a biggie either way. But if I have the 5 big-salary guys all signed, I'm still looking for one experienced depth guy to have around in case Tinordi/Beaulieu/Pateryn aren't ready. And it's not Bouillon. I guess it might be Drewiske since we already have him signed. But I'm not putting all my eggs in the basket of young players who are still waiver-exempt.

Markov is too old and slow to commit three years to, especially with the over-35 huge penalty that comes with a multi-year deal, but I could be convinced to give him one year at a time at market rate or a touch more for his intangibles, until the day he needs to really retire. But it has to be one year at a time officially. Markov becomes expendable once Beaulieu is really ready, say one year after Beaulieu gets here full-time. The year would show he is sticking and can take over an offensive D role.
Well, I could be wrong, but I'd think that if you were only willing to go 1 year at a time with Markov, you are basically saying goodbye to him. I don't see why he'd accept that. It would be sweet for us if our veteran impending-UFAs would take 1-year deals indefinitely, but realistically, why would they. Markov is clearly worth his salary at the least this season... as long as that holds up and you want to keep him, you kind of have to make a commitment that reflects the marketplace. And other teams would cheerfully pony up multi-year deals.

I wouldn't count on Beaulieu ever making anybody expendable either... he may or may not, but you can't commit a plan to something like that which may never happen.
 

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