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Bure80 said:
We had only domestic players till around 2000 too and we was very succesful.
With the population of Russia they could have a strong league in my opinion.
The youth system can be a reason. Dont know enough about that.
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Domestic player rules are particularly hurtful for a league with massive wages and clubs focused on the big name imports. The big clubs would buy up top young talents, give them fat salaries; and then either park them on the bench, or shove them into minor supporting roles where they couldn't develop further. A lot of talented russian kids saw their development end around 19 in the past decade.

It does seem to have gotten better in the past year or two tho.
 
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cgf said:
Domestic player rules are particularly hurtful for a league with massive wages and clubs focused on the big name imports. The big clubs would buy up top young talents, give them fat salaries; and then either park them on the bench, or shove them into minor supporting roles where they couldn't develop further. A lot of talented russian kids saw their development end around 19 in the past decade.

It does seem to have gotten better in the past year or two tho.
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Makes you wonder just how good they could currently be.
 
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Rooney looking so good in the midfield, glad he's finally accepted that role
 
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Makes you wonder just how good they could currently be.
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That and getting the Dzagoevs, Kokorins, Shatovs to move to top 4 leagues would be huge...and the Capello debacle didn't help either. They could be somewhere around Poland/Belgium caliber if not for these factors.
 
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cgf said:
That and getting the Dzagoevs, Kokorins, Shatovs to move to top 4 leagues would be huge...and the Capello debacle didn't help either. They could be somewhere around Poland/Belgium caliber if not for these factors.
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Poland ? They are not that great by any means
 
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Now apparently Northern Ireland fans are being targeted by Polish hooligans in Nice. Polish hooligans are arguably even worse than Russian hooligans.
 
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Gary Lineker :
"What is wrong with these people? An absolute embarrassment to the country.
You can talk about police provocation, or other fans causing trouble, but it only seems to happen where the English go."

This is my whole point. Russiand, polish or french hooligans are just as stupid, but with the english it's EVERY ****ing time.
 
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French Youths apparently tried to fight/did fight Northern Irish fans.

Evilo said:
Gary Lineker :
"What is wrong with these people? An absolute embarrassment to the country.
You can talk about police provocation, or other fans causing trouble, but it only seems to happen where the English go."

This is my whole point. Russiand, polish or french hooligans are just as stupid, but with the english it's EVERY ****ing time.
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So, what should English fans do if attacked or set on? Just let it happen?
 
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Evilo said:
Gary Lineker :
"What is wrong with these people? An absolute embarrassment to the country.
You can talk about police provocation, or other fans causing trouble, but it only seems to happen where the English go."

This is my whole point. Russiand, polish or french hooligans are just as stupid, but with the english it's EVERY ****ing time.
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Why you throwing Polish hooligans into the group? Get your facts straight. I do find it amusing how the media is trying to point all the blame at the russians. They show videos of black and brown russians hurling objects... dont think ive seen so many non white russians before.
 
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Evilo said:
Because you still believe english fans did nothing but defend themselves?


Because they fought in Nice. Get your own facts straight, thank you.
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Watch the video of Russian fans charging the English, what did the England fans do wrong there?

There are instances of people being in bars and being attacked out of nowhere, having to defend themselves and those more vulnerable. But sure, lets focus on the English actions.

You seem to have an irrational dislike of the English, it's showing and clouding your judgement.

Some drunk, moronic England fans looking for a fight out there, sure. But lots of stories of innocent people being attacked.
 
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Shrimper said:
Watch the video of Russian fans charging the English, what did the England fans do wrong there?

There are instances of people being in bars and being attacked out of nowhere, having to defend themselves and those more vulnerable. But sure, lets focus on the English actions.

You seem to have an irrational dislike of the English, it's showing and clouding your judgement.

Some drunk, moronic England fans looking for a fight out there, sure. But lots of stories of innocent people being attacked.
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Yes and tons of videos of english starting trouble.
But I'm irrational because you can't acknowledge the 75.000 english fans without a ticket were here (for the most part) to drink and fight.

Lots of english fans were here to go to the game and celebrate which they did in good fashion.
Plenty (and a huge part of them) came here to start ****.

I'm absolutely sorry some english fans were attacked by thugs.
Are you sorry for all those who were attacked by english fans?
That doesn't seem to be the case.
 
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Anyway, some links on hooliganism in Marseille :
http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-dive...lle-12-06-2016-5876141.php#xtor=AD-1481423553

Arrested are : one austrian, one german, multiple french, russian and english "fans".

One other interesting testimony is of Mickael, who was in charge of separating english and russians fans during the game :
http://rmcsport.bfmtv.com/football/...avait-juste-nos-bras-et-une-corde-983289.html
Might explain why nobody could stop both groups to go at it at the end of the game until the police and security came.
At the bottom of that article, you'll find a video of both groups going at it during the day.
 
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Evilo said:
Because you still believe english fans did nothing but defend themselves?


Because they fought in Nice. Get your own facts straight, thank you.
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http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/euro-2016/heartwarming-picture-shows-how-classy-northern-ireland-fans-helped-polish-counterparts-following-attack-by-local-hooligans-34792885.html

http://en.as.com/en/2016/06/12/football/1465686502_126068.html

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/679063/Euro-2016-Northern-Ireland-Poland-Fans-Attacked-Local-Hooligans-Nice-French-Police-France

Quite hypocritical of you especially with that french flag. Please don't add any more donkey manure to this thread. Get your facts straight.
 
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UEFA issues warnings to England and Russia saying anymore fan outbursts and they will be disqualified and eliminated from tournament per ESPN
 
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