Hunter Gathers
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Prucha73 said:
I don't know where in hell you think of some of these things...
I'd still take Hamhuis over him, but it's very very close.
Tyutin or Hamhuis?
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I don't know where in hell you think of some of these things...
I'd still take Hamhuis over him, but it's very very close.
Hunter Gathers
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andora said:: get a grip
i can throw out a bunch of statements about hamhuis and his positives, does that cancel out what you just said about tyutin? no..
and it doesn't make that guy wrong when someone disagrees
jeez
Yeah, but you have someone like Prucha who's never seen 99.9% of the players he criticizes and bases everything he knows off of miniscule negative things he reads (he's maybe positive on a player 5% of the time, if that). He speaks out of his ass. Go to the Ranger board and read some posts, andora. You and I see eye to eye almost on every single occasion, so go check it out.
Reveille said:
oh please, you claim to know prospects but you are incorrect 90% of the time. Who said I am negative on Tyutin? I think he is a great player, but he lacks offensive creativity, sorry for not being a homer like you and saying it how it is.
I would probably take Tyutin over Hamhuis because of his overall game, but Hamhuis is likely a bit better offensively.
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Hunter Gathers
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Prucha73 said:oh please, you claim to know prospects but you are incorrect 90% of the time. Who said I am negative on Tyutin? I think he is a great player, but he lacks offensive creativity, sorry for not being a homer like you and saying it how it is.
I would probably take Tyutin over Hamhuis because of his overall game, but Hamhuis is likely a bit better offensively.
Damn, I wonder why I was a writer here when I was incorrect 90% of the time according to you -- someone who accidentally said his real age on a message board.
A homer like me? I take Hamhuis over Tyutin and hardly ever question a bashing of a Ranger prospect when they are overlooked or compared with much inferior players.
You don't even watch the junior leagues and you admit to only knowing from what you read.
End of story.
Reveille said:
I don't try to pretend like you do that I scout prospects or have seen them play. That is why you no longer are a writer here, because they don't need kids that pretend they are NHL scouts to write up lame summaries on the prospects. Oh yes I forgot your dad takes you all over europe so you could watch hockey :lol I don't know what is more sad--you lying about this or you actually telling the truth. As for my age, I am a whole lot older than you, kid.
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Prucha73 said:
Wow, if you were near me I'd definately call you out.
But I'm done aruging what I do and what I've done on an internet forum. If you'd like to blatantly insult me, etc. do it via private messages, please. You're definately an ******* if you'd like to sit there and call someone out who knows more hockey then you do at, if you SAY you're older then me, maybe half your age?
I'm 18. I've been driving for two years back and forth from AHL games to my house and take ONE trip a year to Europe on business with my father who is one of the top insurance brokers in NYC and constantly must report back to Europe.
Please. PM me if you feel the need to try and be a ******.
Agian, take this to PM now. I'm done arguing on a board.
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Reveille said:
I don't know what you are complaining about, it is pretty clear who started insulting who. And where is the proof that you know more hockey than me? so do everyone a favor and stick to hockey and don't insult your elder. I am so tired of people who resort to taking personal shots (even the totally ridiculous ones) whenever they disagree with someone.
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I have not really kept tabs on Tyutin's play, but his overall game better be extremely good because Hamhuis is about as well rounded as you can get.....even as a rookie he was used in all situations/played well in all situations on a weak defensive team in the Predators.
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Enoch said:
Tyutin's whole game is how well rounded he is. And he's obviously good. Everyone puts him in the teens in overall prospect lists. He isn't a bone crushing defensemen, he isnt an offensive defensemen. But hes so good at everything. He played PP and PK as a rookie.
nomorekids
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NYRangers said:
Ditto to Hamhuis. He's being painted as an offensive defenseman, but honestly...last year...his offense didn't really impress me all that much. He's a good passer and has a nice shot..but what BLEW ME AWAY was his defensive play. He has THE BEST poke check of any defenseman the Predators have ever had, and I can't think of a single guy I'd rather have back on an odd-man rush. Tyutin may have a well-rounded game, but so does Hamhuis..and living in the NY area, I saw a lot of Rangers games(including a few in person) and, bias aside...I think Fedor is going to be a good one, kind of reminds me of a young Zubov, actually...but Hamhuis is a couple steps up.
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NYRangers said:
I'm not disputing how good Tyutin is. As I pointed out in my last post, I simply haven't seen Tyutin play except for the few times I watched the Rangers on Center Ice (and the one NYR game here in Nashville last season). Even then, I wasn't keeping tabs on him, so we will call my opinion on him as less than informed. However, I was trying to say that for Tyutin to be better than Hamhuis as an all-around defensemen..........he must have been downright brilliant for a rookie. I thought it pretty much went without saying that Hamhuis was the best rookie defensemen last season, but maybe I am wrong.....or maybe posters are simply claiming Tyutin has the potential to be a better all-around defensemen than Hamhuis. Either way, I can only speak about Hamhuis in this debate for reasons pointed out earlier. I would wager that most of the people here claiming Tyutin is better than Hamhuis in his overall game have yet to really see Hamhuis play (like me for Tyutin.)
nomorekids said:
Young Zubov? I don't see it, maybe Ohlund or young Boris Mironov. And after watching the legendary pokechecker Tom Poti, I think most Ranger fans will prefer a guy who rather take the guy out of play with his body than try to pokecheck it away.
nomorekids
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Prucha73 said:
okay, you're right. Hamhuis is just another Tom Poti, and Tyutin is clearly superior.
Well, AverageProspect73, this calls for a poll!
TO THE POLLBOARD!
andora said:
Mironov is an extremely underrated defenseman, I don't know when or why or how he got some bad reputation, but he is a solid defenseman. I haven't seen him in Chicago much, but he was good with the Rangers and even better with the Oilers.
And no I wasn't comparing Hamhuis to Poti.
i don't see how he is underrated, i'm sure most would see him as a decent defenseman to have on your team in a bottom four role. however, comparing him to ohlund imo is definitely off, a (imo) top ten all around defenseman in the whole nhl
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Mironov has a bad reputation in most places, but he actually played quite well here for the Rangers. Tyutin can be compared to Mironov, when Bobo's interested, that is.
Mironov is probably the meanest and most physical and dirty defenseman we had since Ulf Samuelsson. He makes you pay the price for staying near the net and is not afraid to nail star players with really hard hits.
andora said:
it is big deal, when most of our defense don't do these things. I am not sure what Ohlund has to do with this, I never said that Mironov is better than Ohlund.
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