Player Discussion Tyler Toffoli

[lennor]

People want Toffoli signed solely based on sunken cost fallacy

 

[M2Beezy]

If we sign him now do we still give a 4th to the Kings?

 

[CNuck]

Hoffman would certainly look good on the Canucks... 5.5M x3yrs get it done Benning

 

[Javaman]

Hoffman would certainly look good on the Canucks... 5.5M x3yrs get it done Benning

The Canucks can't afford $5.5M.

 

[CNuck]

We have approximately 8m in cap space right now and if we bury Sven in the minor that an extra 1 million to work with.

 

[canucksfan]

We have approximately 8m in cap space right now and if we bury Sven in the minor that an extra 1 million to work with.

That doesn't include Virtanen and Gaudette's salary which likely will be around 4 million.

 

[timw33]

We have approximately 8m in cap space right now and if we bury Sven in the minor that an extra 1 million to work with.

We have about $3MM earmarked for Virtanen, probably around $1.5MM for Gaudette, and need to pick up at least 2 more quality NHL top-6 d-men.

We have next to no flexibility.

 

[Javaman]

We have approximately 8m in cap space right now and if we bury Sven in the minor that an extra 1 million to work with.

True, they have ~$8M but....

They have 13 forwards, 5 defensemen, and 2 goalies signed. They'd need to sign 3 more defensemen. Even at bargain basement prices, that's $2.5M

Now there's only $5.5M of cap space left.

Next, Gaudette and Virtanen will cost about $4M to resign. Sure, you send down McEwen and Baertschi to save a bit of money, but that's an additional $2M off the cap.

Now there's only 3.5M left.

Presumably, you'd want a bit of a cap cushion for the inevitable injuries that will occur in a compressed season... say $1M? That may not even be enough.

Now you're down to about $2.5M of cap space to find a player to upgrade the roster, which translates to maybe about $3.3M once you factor in sending down a player. And even if you could find a quality FA for that amount, the Canucks desperately need help on defense, not forward.

Edit: All of the above rests on the assumption that Acquillini hasn't set an internal cap, which would further reduce Benning's ability to sign a FA.

 

[Dr Black]

People want Toffoli signed solely based on sunken cost fallacy

You must admit, giving up a decent prospect PLUS a 2nd round draft pick in a deep draft (where you don't have a 1st round pick) is way too high a price to pay for just a rental.

 

[lennor]

Oh 100 percent. Unfortunately jimbo pulls the trigger on a lot of terrible transactions.

 

[member 328930]

You must admit, giving up a decent prospect PLUS a 2nd round draft pick in a deep draft (where you don't have a 1st round pick) is way too high a price to pay for just a rental.

For a team competing for a cup? No. For a team that is in a precarious position in terms of making the playoffs? Huge yes.

 

[thekernel]

People want Toffoli signed solely based on sunken cost fallacy

Well, I happen to like how he fits with our forward group. But yes, it would be a shame to lose a pick and a prospect for 17 games of a player.

 

[iFan]

Honestly as much as I like Toffoli and think he’s a great fit here, there’s no point signing him now with how our D is shaping up. He’s 29 this season and this cap hell we have could set us back this and next season.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

4.25 for 4 years in Montreal
Lmao

 

[Ottobot]

3 for 3 babyyyyy

 

[RebuildinVan]

Aaaaannnnddddd he's gone too

 

[PavelBure10]

Another one bites the dust...

 

[Disappointed EP40]

What an absurd joke. How can Benning still have a job after this?

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Uneducated Habs fan. What can we expect from him?

 

[Hit the post]

True, they have ~$8M but....

They have 13 forwards, 5 defensemen, and 2 goalies signed. They'd need to sign 3 more defensemen. Even at bargain basement prices, that's $2.5M

Now there's only $5.5M of cap space left.

Team a probably lottery pick team if it just signs three minimum wage defensemen. Even with Tanev, it wasn't very good. Without him, it's horrible whenever Hughes (or Edler) isn't on the ice. And you can't expect Edler to play 82 games.

 

[Big Empty]

I don't have a second team but I love watching the Nucks and I was watching all your guys playoff games. Toffoli looked pretty good. How did you guys not offer him this contract?

 

[timw33]

4 x 4.25MM is a screaming hot deal for a top 6 winger.

Completely indefensible.

 

[timw33]

I don't have a second team but I love watching the Nucks and I was watching all your guys playoff games. Toffoli looked pretty good. How did you guys not offer him this contract?

Very simple. Our management chose to add $6MM Myers, $2MM Benn, $3.5MM Ferland last offseason, and $3MM Roussel $3MM Beagle $3.36MM Baertschi the year before. Not to mention still dealing with awful decisions from 2015 and 2016 in $4.375MM Brandon Sutter, $6MM Eriksson, $3.75MM Pearson (as a result of $4MM Gudbranson).

 

[Hyzer]

Very simple. Our management chose to add $6MM Myers, $2MM Benn, $3.5MM Ferland last offseason, and $3MM Roussel $3MM Beagle $3.36MM Baertschi the year before. Not to mention still dealing with awful decisions from 2015 and 2016 in $4.375MM Brandon Sutter, $6MM Eriksson, $3.75MM Pearson (as a result of $4MM Gudbranson).

Here's a JUICY tidbit I almost forgot about:

We signed Brandon Sutter to this extention when we traded for him, before we even saw him play for us LMAO.

I hope even casual fans can see how many assets we lost because of our GM's moves. Every single move that happened this offseason has solely been on the managements shoulder. Losing a top 6 winger for a reasonable cap hit (who wanted to sign with us btw), so I think he would have even accepted a little less to stay.

 

[thefutures]

Pure failure this offseason. Atleast we are completely stuck rather than being able to do patchwork, cause I don't trust Benning to do that well either. He should absolutely be fired when we regress next season. Hope he's out the door before he gets the chance to talk contracts with out two bright spots.