Player Discussion Tyler Motte Appreciation

[brock hughes007]

Everyone talks about Markstrom,Tanev,Toffoli. Tyler Moote is about as valuable as the top 3..He killed it in the playoffs....warrior mode. Deserves a huge pay raise imo.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I like the player for what he is but I'm not so sure about giving a 4th liner any kind of term (unless he plays center).

A 2 year deal would be ideal, I would go 3 max. He’s young, should be relatively inexpensive, and I’d rather have that then a bloated free agent contract in the bottom six.

 

[PavelBure10]

Motte was clutch in the playoffs. He is a perfect fit for the Canucks. A player who struggles with mental health, but looks to be one of the most engaged players on the ice is very impressive. He is all heart, and wants to be back with the Canucks next season. Benning can't go wrong with resigning this kid.

 

[NoShowWilly]

If you can get motte for at a good rate for 3 more years then I think you do it. Gives him security but it also sets his next contract at a good age to keep him hungry.

 

[Peter10]

Everyone talks about Markstrom,Tanev,Toffoli. Tyler Moote is about as valuable as the top 3..He killed it in the playoffs....warrior mode. Deserves a huge pay raise imo.

It would be the most Benning thing to now give him a huge contact based on scoring a few goals in the playoffs. Motte is an ok-ish 4th liner who looks better because the effort is always there, it might spark his teammates somewhat though. Nevertheless, giving 4th liners big money and term is stupid.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Need to keep giving him 1-2 year deals. These guys need the hunger of knowing they don't have career contracts in the bank.

 

[VanJack]

Motte is exactly the kind of energy player you need for your third and fourth line; at absolutely the right price point. Gaudette and MacEwen are a couple of others.

It's just too bad they have so many others who don't remotely fit into this category.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

i love motte but i would not give him more than two years. i mean,

i wonder what boston fans were saying about re-signing schaller that summer after his 12 goal season...

 

[Hit the post]

i wonder what boston fans were saying about re-signing schaller that summer after his 12 goal season...

At least LE had his uses (however limited they were - eg., defensively). Schaller was just a waste of oxygen.

 

[F A N]

i love motte but i would not give him more than two years. i mean,

i wonder what boston fans were saying about re-signing schaller that summer after his 12 goal season...

Agreed. At the end of they day, Motte is a 4th line PK specialist who is prone to missing games. He's a guy you want to sign for cheap and 2 years takes him to UFA.

 

[VanJack]

Motte will get a raise, but still an effective and cheap energy player. One of Jimbo's better deals. A deadline day pickup from Columbus for Thomas Vanek, who's no longer even in the league. Just wish they could find a way to make more of those type of trades.

 

[F A N]

So I'm now (currently) happy that he's signed for 2 years.

 

[Lindgren]

So, is what we're seeing a sign that the Canucks really have a player in Motte, someone who could be, say, a long-term above average fourth liner, or a decent third-liner on a contender? Or is it a blip? Goals aside, how do people think he's playing?

 

[VanJack]

So, is what we're seeing a sign that the Canucks really have a player in Motte, someone who could be, say, a long-term above average fourth liner, or a decent third-liner on a contender? Or is it a blip? Goals aside, how do people think he's playing?

If this guy can be tied for the team lead in goals basically tethered to a center like Jay Beagle, then yes--he deserves to move up the lineup. Kid was a scorer in the NCAA, but was stamped as a checker and energy guy after stops in Chicago and Columbus. You can see, he does have some skill.

 

[Gaunce4gm]

In his last 60 games

13 goals 5 assists for 18pts

That’s 0.33pts/game

I don’t think he’s necessarily blowing his predicted production out of the water...

Now if we refine that down to 17 playoff games and the 9 games so far this season, he’s at 26 games played with 9 goals 1 assist for 10 points, or 0.38Pts/game.

that’s pretty well in line with his first full season with us where he had 9G 7A for 16pts in 76GP or 0.22Pts/game

it shows the expected improvement you’d get from a player of his age, but 0.2-0.3pts/game is roughly where you would expect him to be. His scoring pace will not be maintained much longer. There is no way that he finishes above Boeser/Pettersson/Pearson/Gaudette/Virtanen/Höglander if things all play out the way they “should” in a perfect season with no injuries

 

[Lindgren]

I guess what I'm most interested in is whether he's proving to be an intelligent player away from the puck, whether he projects to be a guy who could be used on a line that would be effective against another team's top players, or, in other words, to be blunt about it, whether he could end up being vaguely comparable to Janik Hansen, which would be awesome.

 

[cc]

another player that is supposed to play a similar style to Motte is Jayce Hawryluk. Too bad he got injured by Motte. It would have been interesting to see them playing on the same line

 

[F A N]

So, is what we're seeing a sign that the Canucks really have a player in Motte, someone who could be, say, a long-term above average fourth liner, or a decent third-liner on a contender? Or is it a blip? Goals aside, how do people think he's playing?

I guess what I'm most interested in is whether he's proving to be an intelligent player away from the puck, whether he projects to be a guy who could be used on a line that would be effective against another team's top players, or, in other words, to be blunt about it, whether he could end up being vaguely comparable to Janik Hansen, which would be awesome.

I think the goals Motte has scored have been opportunistic goals that come off of his hard work. In the past, he has slowed down whether it was due to nagging injuries or something else. If Motte can maintain his level of play and be a 15-20 goal guy rather than a guy who inevitably gets hurt and puts up 10 then he's a 3rd line guy. He's in his prime right now and we shouldn't worry about keeping him long term right now.

Noting that he wasn't exactly a full-time regular with other teams, my concern is that he's historically been pretty consistent. His goals per 60 have been remarkably similar over his previous seasons and his possession number have been consistently below average. His defensive deployment has also been consistent though so we haven't exactly seen him play a role where he is closer to 50/50 in zone starts.

Overall, I think Motte has developed into a good contributor for the team. He's the type of player we think about when we talk about getting cheap and valuable depth from drafting and developing players.

If this guy can be tied for the team lead in goals basically tethered to a center like Jay Beagle, then yes--he deserves to move up the lineup. Kid was a scorer in the NCAA, but was stamped as a checker and energy guy after stops in Chicago and Columbus. You can see, he does have some skill.

 

[biturbo19]

I think the goals Motte has scored have been opportunistic goals that come off of his hard work. In the past, he has slowed down whether it was due to nagging injuries or something else. If Motte can maintain his level of play and be a 15-20 goal guy rather than a guy who inevitably gets hurt and puts up 10 then he's a 3rd line guy. He's in his prime right now and we shouldn't worry about keeping him long term right now.

Noting that he wasn't exactly a full-time regular with other teams, my concern is that he's historically been pretty consistent. His goals per 60 have been remarkably similar over his previous seasons and his possession number have been consistently below average. His defensive deployment has also been consistent though so we haven't exactly seen him play a role where he is closer to 50/50 in zone starts.

Overall, I think Motte has developed into a good contributor for the team. He's the type of player we think about when we talk about getting cheap and valuable depth from drafting and developing players.

Yeah. Motte has been a great find. He's the sort of energy/depth "role player" you want to find and/or develop, on cheap, short-term contracts of a year or two at a time. You can't get too attached to these types though. You have to be ready and willing to let these guys go, and cycle new pieces through when the time comes. Signing guys like this to that "one extra contract too many" is how you end up with situations like Roussel/Beagle/et al. Motte probably has one more 1-2 year deal if he can continue at this sort of level through this year and next and is still asking a reasonable cap number...and then you should probably be cutting him loose.

If he does suddenly start looking like a solid, reliable 15G+ 30-35pts+ sort of player with real shutdown/matchup ability rather than more of a 10G-20pts sort of energy guy, maybe you start to entertain the idea of a longer-term deal and keeping him around with a little bit more certainty. But that seems highly unlikely to materialize at this stage in his career. Better to just appreciate him for what he is, and take things as they go.

It's a ruthless business, but that's the reality of how you have to approach things if you want to have a cost-efficient bottom-6. If you're going to be committing a bit of "luxury" money to any sort of bottom-6 forward role players, it pretty much has to be a Center to justify it at all imo. Which Motte is not.

 

[M2Beezy]

Tyler Motte

 

[StreetHawk]

Yeah. Motte has been a great find. He's the sort of energy/depth "role player" you want to find and/or develop, on cheap, short-term contracts of a year or two at a time. You can't get too attached to these types though. You have to be ready and willing to let these guys go, and cycle new pieces through when the time comes. Signing guys like this to that "one extra contract too many" is how you end up with situations like Roussel/Beagle/et al. Motte probably has one more 1-2 year deal if he can continue at this sort of level through this year and next and is still asking a reasonable cap number...and then you should probably be cutting him loose.

If he does suddenly start looking like a solid, reliable 15G+ 30-35pts+ sort of player with real shutdown/matchup ability rather than more of a 10G-20pts sort of energy guy, maybe you start to entertain the idea of a longer-term deal and keeping him around with a little bit more certainty. But that seems highly unlikely to materialize at this stage in his career. Better to just appreciate him for what he is, and take things as they go.

It's a ruthless business, but that's the reality of how you have to approach things if you want to have a cost-efficient bottom-6. If you're going to be committing a bit of "luxury" money to any sort of bottom-6 forward role players, it pretty much has to be a Center to justify it at all imo. Which Motte is not.

Doesn’t have to be a C but you have to get great PK from them plus an element of something like speed, checking, Physicality.

it takes time to develop these types of players. Drafting at 18, these guys won’t do much at the nhl level until about 22/23 either finishing JR at 20 and playing in the A for most or all of their elc or doing a JR/SR year in the ncaa before a year or two in the A.

like Coleman for NJ. Did 4 years in the ncaa. A full year and bit in the A. So you get these guys under team control in the nhl level for maybe 4 seasons.

 

[thefutures]

Feels like there is more offensive production to be had with this player

 

[Bougieman]

If we're just looking at the Rangers, it's interesting to note that Tyler Motte has more goals and points thus far than:
Mika Zibanejad
Alexis Lafrenière
Kaapo Kakko
....PUT TOGETHER.

 

[NuxFan09]

He's one of those bottom 6 guys the winning teams have. Like Dan Paille/Rich Peverley in Boston when they won, or the likes of Sundqvist and Barbashev in St. Louis. They're the guys that have the utility to do what you need them to do (PK'ing, checking) but can also chip in. He's a keeper.

For now his line with Beagle and Roussel is playing unexpectedly well but eventually the Canucks need to build a cheaper, younger 3rd or 4th line around Motte once Beagle and Roussel are off the books. That's where you hope some of Benning's mid-round draft picks come in handy. Guys like Jasek, Lockwood, etc. Gaudette I suppose makes for a skilled bottom 6 winger.

 

[HockeyWooot]

He’s on the NHL.com stats site among the leaders in goals. Way to go Motter!