Player Discussion Tuukka Rask VI

[Glove Malfunction]

I keep reading Tuuk is overpaid . So what would be a reasonable price for a goalie of his caliber ?

The hard part in here is getting a consensus on exactly what "his caliber" is.

 

[Glove Malfunction]

Tuukka got at least 1M too much and he got it at least 2/3 years early. 7M , 6 years ago, was a lot of money. That is the kind of money top Goalies are signing for now. If managers are dumb enough to give stupid contracts (like Price and Lundqvist) let them . It doesn't mean you have to be just as stupid. He took money , term and NMC/NTC too.
Before he got his contract he put up good numbers playing behind a very strong defense mostly in a back roll. When you look beyond the numbers he's pretty ordinary and should have an ordinary salary to go with it.

But if you go to Beswick's article, you'll see that when he got it, he was actually worth that. it's been his performance the last several year that the article calls into question.

 

[DKH]

Yup. That series was even closer than I think people remember, but for as much as they should have had game 1 they stole game 2. The game I'll never get over, far more than game 6, was 4.

I told my kid before overtime started that they win this they got them

 

[dtam83]

I keep reading Tuuk is overpaid . So what would be a reasonable price for a goalie of his caliber ?

I would say 1.25 million overpaid. Jonathan Quick gets paid 5.8, marc andre fleury 5.75, martin jones 5.75. 2 out of 3 of these guys won stanley cups. None of the top 5 paid goalies are worth their contract (price, lundqvist, bobrowski, rask, rinne) imo.

 

[Dr Hook]

The hard part in here is getting a consensus on exactly what "his caliber" is.

It's hard to get a consensus on anything in here, let alone Tuuka's caliber

 

[What The Puck]

I think we learned something last night. There are some serious technical deficiencies in Rask's game. We are looking at short side goals where the post should be sealed off. We're seeing rebounds where there shouldn't be any. It doesn't look easy for him right now. Probably should be demoted until he gets his game back.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

I think we learned something last night. There are some serious technical deficiencies in Rask's game. We are looking at short side goals where the post should be sealed off. We're seeing rebounds where there shouldn't be any. It doesn't look easy for him right now. Probably should be demoted until he gets his game back.

I believe you should always go with the hot goalie.

 

[TCB]

I believe you should always go with the hot goalie.

Kyle Keyser it is then.

 

[Chief Nine]

I think we learned something last night. There are some serious technical deficiencies in Rask's game. We are looking at short side goals where the post should be sealed off. We're seeing rebounds where there shouldn't be any. It doesn't look easy for him right now. Probably should be demoted until he gets his game back.

I think you’re making some valid points here. And it might just be that Tuukka is adjusting to the new equipment and finding where he should be. We’re seeing him give up some uncharacteristic rebounds so far it and may be just that simple that he’s adjusting to the equipment.

It also may just be a simple matter of playing through it and making adjustments. But I wouldn’t go so far as saying these are serious issues, after all he gave up two goals. The first one was definitely not good and the second one was just a great play by Domi. Rask was sliding and Domi was on his knees and made a difficult shot.

I don’t think this is as a dire situation as you, but your main points are right in my opinion

 

[hrdpuk]

It's hard to win game with zero goals.

Since when is giving up 2 goals a disaster for a goalie

 

[Mainehockey33]

There’s currently no one in the system ready to play backup in the NHL, McIntyre sucks and Vlader isn’t ready. Thankfully Halak has been so good that Rask can sit for awhile and hopefully find his game.

Last night wasn’t all on Rask, but he didn’t do them any favors...

 

[Blowfish]

He needs to wake up...sitting for a stretch is exactly what's going to happen. He better hope Halak falter otherwise he's going to sit for some time.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

The Chara seidenberg pairing lost that series for the Bruins. Rask was pretty super overall that series. Those two goals game 6 really weren’t on him IMO

I was there, all 6 Boston players were bad in that 30 secomds against Chicago. But, that series was lost with Bergeron being so injured.

I still would believe Boston would have 2 cups with a healthy Bergeron. We will never know.

 

[BRUINS since 1995]

I would take Rinne and Quick, because when they are on, they are (to my mind) better goalies than Rask. But Rinne is probably even more inconsistent than Rask, and Quick has trouble staying on the ice. So...here we are. Can we take 2014 Henrik?

Well... Quick has been quite injured the last seasons, and Rinne did not prove more than Rask. So i agree with you , we could ask for Rogatien Vachon also btw

 

[Bruinfanatic]

I was there, all 6 Boston players were bad in that 30 secomds against Chicago. But, that series was lost with Bergeron being so injured.

I still would believe Boston would have 2 cups with a healthy Bergeron. We will never know.

I agree,but thought the series was lost game 4,but yeah we will never know.

 

[NDiesel]

Ride Halak for a bit

 

[Pia8988]

I'll be worried if he plays the same in November. Rask is pretty much always poor come October, for whatever reason. Halak can help this team just like Khudobin did last year,

 

[Maine Fan]

Devils fan here:

Always ride with the hot one and that Halak right now. Nice problem to have Boston.

 

[Crash Bandicoot]

Cassidy has used the word “soft” more than a few time while talking about Rask. He wouldn’t do that without Neely or Sweeney’s approval.
I would bet a sawbuck that Rasks bags have already been packed by management. We could see him “Andy Moog’ed “ sooner rather than later.

 

[BruinDust]

Seems like a lot of panic here over nothing. Very few if any goaltenders now are solid and stellar through the course of a full regular season, let alone the playoffs.

Just look at Washington. They showed the graphic the other night where Holtby's play and numbers went in the tank last year after New Years and essentially lost the No.1 job to Grubauer down the stretch. Grubauer falters in the first two games vs. CBJ, a rested Holtby goes in, 8 weeks later he's backstopping a cup champion.

It comes down to perspective and expectations. I think the days of having goaltenders like say Hasek was in the late 1990s who can dominate the game (for lack of a better term) month after month, season after season, are over. There are a lot very good goaltenders now, if you got one or two of the top 20-25 guys you are in good shape. Much like Starting Pitching in baseball where the days of complete games, heck even getting to the 7th inning or seeing a line-up for the 3rd time, are the exception, seeing a goaltender play rock solid for 60+ games, then go on a run in the playoffs, will be the exception, not the norm.

The norm will be hot and cold play, stretches where one guy plays a lot and the other sits, and vice-versa, and seeing a team have to use 2 goaltenders to get through 4 rounds of the playoffs will be second nature, not a big controversy.

 

[LouJersey]

Rask is what he is at this point. Good enough to lift a cup at times, and poor enough to want to trade/switch to the backup.

Halak is good in burstsm but if he's your #1 playing 50+ a year you are going nowhere. Rask should be the 55 starts guy of this tandem easily.

 

[mjhfb]

The Chara seidenberg pairing lost that series for the Bruins. Rask was pretty super overall that series. Those two goals game 6 really weren’t on him IMO

Boychuck and Ferrance were on the ice for the cup winner against. GW was Boychuck's guy. Chara and Seids not even on ice.

 

[BMC]

He needs to wake up...sitting for a stretch is exactly what's going to happen. He better hope Halak falter otherwise he's going to sit for some time.

This has deja vu written all over it- Rask played poorly early last season but thank God Dobby went on a hot streak & kept the Bruins in it til Tuukka got his act together. Looking at the same thing now except Halak just has to be himself, we don't have to pray he'll get hot.

 

[Chief Nine]

Seems like a lot of panic here over nothing. Very few if any goaltenders now are solid and stellar through the course of a full regular season, let alone the playoffs.

Just look at Washington. They showed the graphic the other night where Holtby's play and numbers went in the tank last year after New Years and essentially lost the No.1 job to Grubauer down the stretch. Grubauer falters in the first two games vs. CBJ, a rested Holtby goes in, 8 weeks later he's backstopping a cup champion.

It comes down to perspective and expectations. I think the days of having goaltenders like say Hasek was in the late 1990s who can dominate the game (for lack of a better term) month after month, season after season, are over. There are a lot very good goaltenders now, if you got one or two of the top 20-25 guys you are in good shape. Much like Starting Pitching in baseball where the days of complete games, heck even getting to the 7th inning or seeing a line-up for the 3rd time, are the exception, seeing a goaltender play rock solid for 60+ games, then go on a run in the playoffs, will be the exception, not the norm.

The norm will be hot and cold play, stretches where one guy plays a lot and the other sits, and vice-versa, and seeing a team have to use 2 goaltenders to get through 4 rounds of the playoffs will be second nature, not a big controversy.

I don't underestimate the issues that we're hearing that guys are having with the new chest protectors. I mentioned this the other night in response to a poster about Rask's rebound control. I think this is a big adjustment and some are openly complaining about getting bruised. Plus scoring is up (which is what many wanted) so what we're seeing is part of that too

 

[BruinDust]

I don't underestimate the issues that we're hearing that guys are having with the new chest protectors. I mentioned this the other night in response to a poster about Rask's rebound control. I think this is a big adjustment and some are openly complaining about getting bruised. Plus scoring is up (which is what many wanted) so what we're seeing is part of that too

Yup, and I think it's a bigger issue for a guy like Rask, who is tall but lanky. Whereas a guy like Price, who is roughly the same height but has a bigger build, aren't as affected.