Value of: Turris to the islanders
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Nashville has no reason to move Turris. Unless you offer an upgrade. And.... Barzy is untouchable. No deal to be made here.
I think I disagree with the core premise here, which runs something along the lines of 'the Islanders need a second-line center, so I'm interested in trading for Nashville's second-line center. Surely they don't need one, I guess?'
The Islanders are entering a rebuild, and really don't need a solid second-line center right now. For their part, the Predators are one of the three or four top teams in the league. They badly need two good scoring centers, and even if they are not quite at the optimal 1a/1b level, Johansen and Turris form that nucleus.
If Nashville were to deal Turris, who slots in at #2 center for Nashville's Cup campaign in 2019? Nick Bonino?
A rebuilding team doesn't need to trade for a contender's #2 center. A contender can't afford to deal its #2 center unless someone is pushing a center out the door, or they are receiving a better center in return. That's not happening in Nashville, where they frankly could use even more scoring from the center position, and not so soon after paying a hefty price to get Turris in the first place.
I agree with the poster above, in that the only way a Turris trade to NYI would make sense for Nashville is if a better center (Barzal) were coming back. That is obviously a player the NYI are building around and would never trade. That's where Nashville's interest evaporates.
The Islanders are entering a rebuild, and really don't need a solid second-line center right now. For their part, the Predators are one of the three or four top teams in the league. They badly need two good scoring centers, and even if they are not quite at the optimal 1a/1b level, Johansen and Turris form that nucleus.
If Nashville were to deal Turris, who slots in at #2 center for Nashville's Cup campaign in 2019? Nick Bonino?
A rebuilding team doesn't need to trade for a contender's #2 center. A contender can't afford to deal its #2 center unless someone is pushing a center out the door, or they are receiving a better center in return. That's not happening in Nashville, where they frankly could use even more scoring from the center position, and not so soon after paying a hefty price to get Turris in the first place.
I agree with the poster above, in that the only way a Turris trade to NYI would make sense for Nashville is if a better center (Barzal) were coming back. That is obviously a player the NYI are building around and would never trade. That's where Nashville's interest evaporates.
Just because they refuse to call it a rebuild doesn't mean they aren't looking at this as a multi-year initiative to lay a foundation. Drafting, developing what they have, and acceptance that their playoff appearance chances ended when the captain walked is part of the near-term future. A few years out, they could be a quality playoff club again. Right now, they're going to get crushed under a Metro logjam.
This question has little to do with the key takeaway of the post, anyway, which is that Nashville doesn't have scoring centers available in trade. From a Nashville point of view, the Islanders' perception of their contending status is immaterial.
This question has little to do with the key takeaway of the post, anyway, which is that Nashville doesn't have scoring centers available in trade. From a Nashville point of view, the Islanders' perception of their contending status is immaterial.
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Not the strongest center wise, they could try to play bailey at center since he played center early in his career if they need help. Also you guys do have Bellows but not much behind that. I could see a trade happening for a 2c but probably not from a cup contender.
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Not the strongest center wise, they could try to play bailey at center since he played center early in his career if they need help. Also you guys do have Bellows but not much behind that. I could see a trade happening for a 2c but probably not from a cup contender.
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Anthony Beauvilier plus something? I know Nashville is in win now mode, and I'm a fan of Turris, but last year didnt show for much success, maybe they are not a good match. If a team came up with an offer of a player, albeit less good but younger, I would consider it.
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Isles have unsuccessfully kicked the tires on ROR and Duchene. Gonna guess they would have no more interest in paying a high price for Turris then they had in paying a high price for ROR or Duchene.
Isles will likely get their #2C in the 2019 draft.
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Lets be realistic
We lost our 1c and face of the franchise this off-season. We missed the playoffs and only got worse... we are rebuilding. No shame in it, at least we have good management now
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Yeah, if I'm the Islanders I just hope for one of Hugues, Newhook, Cozens, Turcotte...
Hugues to them would be great. Fans deserve this after seeing Tavares leave. And Hugues-Barzal would be one hell of a 1-2 punch.
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Lou and Trotz are calling this a season of evaluating the talent.
Imo we are more likely to see a couple of impending ufas like Lee/Nelson/ Eberle dealt in a futures package then top youngsters dealt for guys pushing 30.
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yeah, I was telling from a Nashville POV I'd have more interest in a Beauvilier type of player who can play C than a UFA like Lee and that would be my price for Turris
You'd have a much better chance at going after someone on a team where they have a #2C who's playing in a 3C position. Two teams that have this that immediately come to mind are Edmonton (RNH) and Pittsburgh (Brassard). And even ignoring the divisional aspect, I do not see either team being all that interested in moving those guys unless they're getting back something they can't say no to - which would likely defeat the purpose here.
As others have said, it probably doesn't make a ton of sense for NYI to chase a #2C via trade at this time given where the franchise currently is (aka some sort of rebuild).
As others have said, it probably doesn't make a ton of sense for NYI to chase a #2C via trade at this time given where the franchise currently is (aka some sort of rebuild).
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Why do posters think Nashville would break up their current roster?
This roster got them 117 points and the Presidents Trophy last season. Nobody on the team is suddenly awful, even if the playoffs were disappointing.
For those unaware, after the playoff loss to the Jets the players asked Poile not to blow up the roster and to give them another chance to win this season It looks like he intends to honor that request and indeed why wouldnt he?
The only way the Preds start trading roster players is if they stumble out of the gate in the first couple of months.
This roster got them 117 points and the Presidents Trophy last season. Nobody on the team is suddenly awful, even if the playoffs were disappointing.
For those unaware, after the playoff loss to the Jets the players asked Poile not to blow up the roster and to give them another chance to win this season It looks like he intends to honor that request and indeed why wouldnt he?
The only way the Preds start trading roster players is if they stumble out of the gate in the first couple of months.
Stuzchuk
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NAS would be loooking for an 1A/1B top 2 center rotation... what's do the NYI awnt for Barzal? 
EDIT: I guess I'll add it because some people are capable of getting to post 20 but cant get to post 22
EDIT: I guess I'll add it because some people are capable of getting to post 20 but cant get to post 22
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CREW99AW
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21 yr old Barzal is already more productive and on his ELC.
WHY would the nyi prefer 29 yr old Turris to Barzal?
Stuzchuk
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I guess, the
was needed afterall 
(I should have just said; contending team, not in cap trouble, 2 firsts)
miscs75
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Replace Nelson with Kovar (not proven with the NHL game however).
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Lou isn't moving Barzal unless the offer was too good to be true. Barzal is the cornerstone and future of the franchise.
MalkinsPierogi
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Pretty sure the Isles are gonna surprise a lot of people who think they're rebuilding. They still have a solid core and Barzal is going to easily slot into Tavares' role.
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