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Do you think the point differential between the two this past WJC is a sure-fire indication Olesz has higher offensive upside? Overall?
jtuzzi21 said:What NHL'er would Olesz be compared to? I saw him play, just can't think of any comparisons...
Holik is a bull, Olesz plays like a wimp....that is at the WJC level. Imagine what he will play like at the NHL level. I don't hold hatred towards any prospects. I covered Czechs very closely because Vrana was with them. Olesz just puzzles me, he doesn't drive to the net at all or use his size well in the corners. His lower body strength is also quite low for someone his size. The thing that I enjoy about his game is his comitment to play defense and he finishes almost every chance he gets.Legionnaire said:Reminds me of Holik.
jtuzzi21 said:What NHL'er would Olesz be compared to? I saw him play, just can't think of any comparisons...
No, not as fast. Dvorak was all about speed.AgentNaslund said:Radek Dvorak.
Olesz is way higher than Tukonen and even with the injury, Olesz was picked 4 spots ahead of a healthy Tukonen. Tukonen dropped for some unknown reason. Teams would've picked him if they felt he was awesome but there was a behind the scene reason he dropped.
Levitate said:i honestly dont' think tukonen really dropped for an unknown reason...i think his upside just isn't as high as some people thought it should be, and NHL teams knew this. not saying he's a bad player but i dont' think he's gonna be a real 1st line powerforward type guy some thought he would be. he's a great pick at #11 but it's not a huge shock that he dropped to that spot
and olesz dropped too...
He was compared to Jagr in an article (Future Stars I think) here in HF 3 or 4 years ago. this article was also talking about Stall, Horton, Brown, Fritsche, O´Sully, Ovechkin, Tukonen, Belle, Suter, Coburn... Very good read.Levitate said:i don't ever remember olesz being called the second coming of jagr...he doesn't have nearly the talent jagr does, not even close
i heard more comparisons to holik
as for tukonen...I've talked to more than one person who has seen him play a lot and feels his scoring potential isn't all that great. not that he won't score some points, but he doesn't have enough to be an elite scorer.
PanthersRule said:Olesz is way higher than Tukonen and even with the injury, Olesz was picked 4 spots ahead of a healthy Tukonen. Tukonen dropped for some unknown reason. Teams would've picked him if they felt he was awesome but there was a behind the scene reason he dropped.
Yeah, but Olesz, Montoya, Smid, Picard etc.... Tukonen dropped below all of them too.Herbie Verstinks said:Behind the scenes was Phx taking some guy named Wheeler, which dropped him one spot right there.
PanthersRule said:No, not as fast. Dvorak was all about speed.
Not Holik either IMO. Nor Kozlov. Kozlov was ultra soft. Olesz will hit and play aggressive but is more of a finesse player from what I hear of this tournament.
It's kinda hard to think of comparasins. I mean I think his game is still changing and it will for a while. He used to be known as a playmaker who didn't score but set up people and now I think he's switched to being more of an overall player who scores and sets up, but then he had 7 g and 3 a.
Olesz is way higher than Tukonen and even with the injury, Olesz was picked 4 spots ahead of a healthy Tukonen. Tukonen dropped for some unknown reason. Teams would've picked him if they felt he was awesome but there was a behind the scene reason he dropped.
Olesz I don't think really plays a style of one particular NHLer today. A great 2 way forward with lots of offensive skill but plays aggressive sometimes. Not an amaizing skater but above average and fast enough to succeed. Has great hockey sense. I dunno. Sounds like Stephen Weiss only a lot bigger and more aggressive.
PanthersRule said:Yeah, but Olesz, Montoya, Smid, Picard etc.... Tukonen dropped below all of them too.
BTW, Olesz dropped BECAUSE of the injury. I'm not denying he dropped, as he obviously did. Olesz's nickname HAD been (dunno if it still is) Jagr2.
Yeah, that's the guy who I was thinking of, only a bit smaller. I think Olesz could grow a couple inches more maybe. At max 2, but maybe 1 more to make him 6'2 or 6'3 as he's like 6'1.5 right now I think it said. Bonk was a good player and I think Olesz could definatley reach totals like Bonk had. I wish FLA had traded for Bonk but they just let him go to LA then MTL.FTK said:Olesz reminds me a lot of Radek Bonk
FTK said:Olesz reminds me a lot of Radek Bonk
Levitate said:i honestly dont' think tukonen really dropped for an unknown reason...i think his upside just isn't as high as some people thought it should be, and NHL teams knew this. not saying he's a bad player but i dont' think he's gonna be a real 1st line powerforward type guy some thought he would be. he's a great pick at #11 but it's not a huge shock that he dropped to that spot
and olesz dropped too...
BTW, Olesz dropped BECAUSE of the injury. I'm not denying he dropped, as he obviously did. Olesz's nickname HAD been (dunno if it still is) Jagr2.
Jason MacIsaac said:Holik is a bull, Olesz plays like a wimp....that is at the WJC level. Imagine what he will play like at the NHL level. I don't hold hatred towards any prospects. I covered Czechs very closely because Vrana was with them. Olesz just puzzles me, he doesn't drive to the net at all or use his size well in the corners. His lower body strength is also quite low for someone his size. The thing that I enjoy about his game is his comitment to play defense and he finishes almost every chance he gets.
Yes you can. Because on the whole, goalies take longer to develop AND assessing a goalie at the age of 18 is far more difficult than players at other positions.Levitate said:i also think it's a joke when people get off on the "you shouldn't draft a goalie in the first round, good ones are always found later, blah blah blah". look, these players are ranked and drafted based on their talent as observed by scouts, etc. the reason some guys go high is because everyone thinks their talent level is higher than that of the guys who go later in the draft. you can't just bank on the idea that "good goalies come from later in the draft so we'll always pick a goalie later" and expect to pick up quality guys.
FTK said:Olesz reminds me a lot of Radek Bonk