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couldn't believe Katic fell to 56... untill i read the first 4 words "A skilled offensive defenceman" he's not Kris Russell/Letang, he's a 2 way defenceman, he has better defensive skills than all the small players out there, he's a great passer but he doesn't have the shot, and he has too good of defensive skills to be called an "offensive defenceman" that is why people sell him short becuase he's an "offensive defenceman" who put up 41 points on a good team and is under 6ft. why scouts can't see that he isn't really a designated offensive defenceman, or defensive defenceman his rankings would be so much better, sorry guys this has just been frusturating me ever since he dropped he gets no credit, and the same thing happened to letang and russell when they were drafted and they are among the best prospects out there, just getting sick of the small guys getting sold short around here lol. Red line has him ranked at 15, ISS had him ranked at 5 at the start of the season and no one has him outside the 2nd round, but TSN drops him, below guys like TJ Brennan who is considered an offensive defenceman and doesn't have the tools (skating/passing) that katic has, and had a worse performance in the playoffs, just drives me crazy.
 
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I hear what you're saying (except the part about him being a 2-way forward?), but calling a guy an offensive defenceman doesn't mean he can't play defence, it's just a description of where the player is going to make an impact in the pro game. Katic is decent in his own end in junior, but isn't projected to be a signficant force defensively: his positional awareness is only okay, and he can be easily muscled off the puck by forechecking forwards. And that's in junior: in a couple of yers, unless he fills out substantially, he's goign to have an even tougher time in his own zone. I'm not saying he'll be a PP specialist - he seems to have enough ability to play a regular shift, but the offensive zone is where he's going to earn his bread and butter.
 

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I hear what you're saying (except the part about him being a 2-way forward?), but calling a guy an offensive defenceman doesn't mean he can't play defence, it's just a description of where the player is going to make an impact in the pro game. Katic is decent in his own end in junior, but isn't projected to be a signficant force defensively: his positional awareness is only okay, and he can be easily muscled off the puck by forechecking forwards. And that's in junior: in a couple of yers, unless he fills out substantially, he's goign to have an even tougher time in his own zone. I'm not saying he'll be a PP specialist - he seems to have enough ability to play a regular shift, but the offensive zone is where he's going to earn his bread and butter.


thats a good point, except for the muscled off the puck part, i really never saw that happen that often like in the all-star game there were a few instances where he'd just pick up a loose puck and accelerate and he is actually quick enough that unless he's standing still, he can't relaly be pushed around because bigger players don't seem to have the momentum, unless they can line him up, which has seemed to be a difficult task so far for most players in juniors.
 

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Bob McKenzie must have talked to NYI HFNHL scouts as he has picked all three NYI 1st round selection in the top 10.:yo:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=11063&hubname=

Hasnain you did draft well no question.

That said I just don't understand why we insist on judging our own drafting prowess on how others lists look or where they go in the NHL draft. Especially since lists created by Bob, THN, and ISS to a lesser extent, are in part influnced by the team picking at that spot and what they think that team may do.

It's an apple and oranges comparison since we have our own mix of picks that were made based on BPA and those selected for organizational need as does the NHL.

I won't go into my usual long ramble on this. All I'll say is if you did your research and made the right judgement your player has the same chance of making the NHL he did before he was picked 1st or 201st overall. That goes for Katic as well.

The real bragging time comes when we do our articles on how players turned out 5 years later. Speaking of which I had a lot of bragging to do on the 2000 and 2001 drafts but I'm almost embaressed by my 2002 draft retrospective that I'll post soon :(
 

Ohio Jones

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I spoke with Woodlief when I put my order in for the RLR draft guide. He was remarking at how wide-open this year would be, and that we could expect a lot of players going significantly higher or lower than projected.

The guide actually contained two mock drafts, both of which varied widely from where RLR would actually rate the players, the idea of a mock being to reflect what they thought teams would actually do, as opposed to what they should do.

The other mock broke down like this:

1. CHI - Kane
2. PHI - JVR
3. PHX - Turris
4. LAK - Voracek
5. WAS - Cherepanov
6. EDM - Gagner
7. CBJ - Esposito
8. BOS - Alzner
9. STL - Hamill
10. FLA - Couture
11. CAR - Pacioretty
12. MTL - Mayorov
13. TOR - Ellerby
14. COL - McDonagh
15. EDM (NYI) - Sutter
16. ANA (TAM) - Petrecki
17. NYR - Cole
18. CGY - Plante
19. MIN - Moller
20. PIT - Shattenkirk
21. PHX (DAL) - Sweatt
22. MTL (SJS) - Perron
23. PHI (NAS) MacMillan
24. STL (ATL) - Eller
25. VAN - Blum
26. STL (NJD/SJS) - Katic
27. DET - Backlund
28. WAS (BUFF) - Sacchetti
29. OTT - Veilleux
30. EDM (ANA) - Gillies

Interesting to see this different take from within the RLR ranks. I'm not giving anything away in terms of copyright, though, because you still have to buy the guide to see the scouts' explanations!
 

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hey i like this one better, Penguins take Katic at 20, that would almost be too good to be true for me... like the description alot more "mobile puck distributor" sounds like a more accurate description :) RLR seems to have alot of intresting picks in their mock draft
 

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