TSN ranks the top 25 NHL players of all time

[daver]

Still no Malkin on these lists.

Top 100, absolutely. Top 50, yep. Top 25? Nope.

 

[livewell68]

Still no Malkin on these lists.

Anything for the powers to be to assure Crosby's place. Malkin has accomplished just as much.... yet one is 8th and the other outside the 25? Nice bias as always.

TSN used to mean something, now they just tow the line and offer nothing constructive or entertaining.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Anything for the powers to be to assure Crosby's place. Malkin has accomplished just as much.... yet one is 8th and the other outside the 25? Nice bias as always.

Malkin has accomplished just as much as Crosby? Um......no, he hasn't.

- Crosby has EIGHT seasons with more than 80 points. Malkin has four.
- Crosby has FIVE gold medals in international play since he turned 18. Malkin has two.
- Crosby has two Conn Smythes. Malkin has one.
- Crosby has two Harts, three Ted Lindsays, two Rocket Richards, two Art Ross's. Malkin has half of that.

Malkin is amazing, no doubt. But he simply has NOT accomplished what Crosby has in his career. Injuries are probably the cause, but it's a fact.

 

[MadLuke]

Anything for the powers to be to assure Crosby's place. Malkin has accomplished just as much....

I think Malkin getting almost always injured make him quite underrated, that said even looking at per games to remove that issue Crosby still separated himself career wise of Malkin and everyone else.

Since 2005-2006, players with 200 games or more

PPG
Crosby: 1.30 (1087 pts)
Malkin: 1.18 (894 pts)
Ovechkin: 1.12 (1093 pts)
Bunch below the big 3 around 1.04 to 1.00

And for total played season:

Top 5 points finish
Crosby: 8
Ovechkin: 6
Malkin: 3

Hart top 3
Crosby: 6
Ovechkin: 5
Malkin: 3

There is a clear even if not that big of around 10 points a season rate production difference between the 2, they are pretty even in playoff (1.11 ppg 164 pts for Crosby, 1.04, 157 points for Malkin) and Crosby seem to have the clear advantage in regular season's.

 

[22Brad Park]

Eddie Shore with 284 career pts better than Jagr LOL

Bourque was ten times the player he was but never had to use them sticks and skates so different Era I guess plays into it somehow.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Anything for the powers to be to assure Crosby's place. Malkin has accomplished just as much.... yet one is 8th and the other outside the 25? Nice bias as always.

TSN used to mean something, now they just tow the line and offer nothing constructive or entertaining.

I agree that Crosby is way too high, but he's accomplished way more than Malkin.

Crosby--Ovechkin--Malkin
(not including this season)

Hart: 2--3--1
Finalist: 6--5--3
Top 10: 8--7--3
Lindsay: 3--3--1
Ross: 2--1--2
Top 10 pts: 9--8--3
PPG leader: 5--3--1
Top 10 PPG: 10--8--8
Rocket: 2--6--0
Top 10 goals: 4--10--2
GPG leader: 2--7--0
Top 10 GPG: 4--10--4
AST (1st+2nd): 7--9--3
Awards: 11--14--6

Malkin's had 3 seasons when he was actually relevant in the scoring and hart races. PPG is supposed to be his big saving grace but he's the only one who doesn't have multiple PPG wins. And only 3 seasons in top 20 hart voting? That's not a top 25 all time player. Yes his peak was unreal, but this list is for career. And career wise he doesn't have the awards, consistency, multiple pt finishes, etc to justify a place here. Yes injuries played a big part in that, but we can only go off what has actually happened and not fantasy scenarios.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

like in a fight?

In career value.

 

[Cubs2024WSChamps]

If Toews is 26th, why isn't Bergeron on the list, because he sure as hell is better than Toews.

Sarcasm

 

[Slap]

Maurice Richard truly is the ultimate meme player. People complain about Toews while this guy sits in top 5 blocking guys like Jagr for example. Shit makes no sense.

E. There are four(4) goalies ahead of the Dominik Hasek. This list is made for Canadian patriots. Complete nonsense.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Jagr criminally low on this list.

 

[Lampedampe]

Why is no one talking about Doug Harvey being 6th on the list? Seems ridiculous to me.

Or am I missing something?

 

[Slap]

In other words i have no clue who eddie shore is so i will look at just stats and laugh.

In other words I base my rankings on what the tabloids said 100 years ago. Get real man. You never saw him play. You might have read more clips than any of us but you still wouldn't know if he was any better than a toddler. Hell you can't even bet your life if he actually excited. There is no point comparing ancient players to modern ice hockey

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Absolutely disagree with Hasek's spot on the list. Should be higher.

 

[PenguinSpeed]

I agree that Crosby is way too high, but he's accomplished way more than Malkin.

Crosby--Ovechkin--Malkin
(not including this season)

Hart: 2--3--1
Finalist: 6--5--3
Top 10: 8--7--3
Lindsay: 3--3--1
Ross: 2--1--2
Top 10 pts: 9--8--3
PPG leader: 5--3--1
Top 10 PPG: 10--8--8
Rocket: 2--6--0
Top 10 goals: 4--10--2
GPG leader: 2--7--0
Top 10 GPG: 4--10--4
AST (1st+2nd): 7--9--3
Awards: 11--14--6

Malkin's had 3 seasons when he was actually relevant in the scoring and hart races. PPG is supposed to be his big saving grace but he's the only one who doesn't have multiple PPG wins. And only 3 seasons in top 20 hart voting? That's not a top 25 all time player. Yes his peak was unreal, but this list is for career. And career wise he doesn't have the awards, consistency, multiple pt finishes, etc to justify a place here. Yes injuries played a big part in that, but we can only go off what has actually happened and not fantasy scenarios.

-And anyone without a pair of homer glasses on knows Crosby and Malkin of had major injuries in their career, and Ovi has not.

-Here are the stats that matter.

Playoff Stanley Cups

Crosby-3
Malkin-3
Ovi- 0

Playoff Stanley Cup Appearances

Crosby-4
Malkin-4
Ovi-0

Easter Conference Finals Appearances

Crosby-5
Malkin-5
Ovi-0

Playoff Series Wins

Crosby-19
Malkin-19
Ovi- 6

Playoff Points Per game

Crosby- 1.108
Malkin-1.054
Ovi- .92


Points Per game

Crosby- 1.29
Malkin 1.18
Ovi- 1.12

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

-And anyone without a pair of homer glasses on knows Crosby and Malkin of had major injuries in their career, and Ovi has not.

-Here are the stats that matter.

Playoff Stanley Cups

Crosby-3
Malkin-3
Ovi- 0

Playoff Stanley Cup Appearances

Crosby-4
Malkin-4
Ovi-0

Easter Conference Finals Appearances

Crosby-5
Malkin-5
Ovi-0

Playoff Series Wins

Crosby-19
Malkin-19
Ovi- 6

Playoff Points Per game

Crosby- 1.108
Malkin-1.054
Ovi- .92


Points Per game

Crosby- 1.29
Malkin 1.18
Ovi- 1.12

If cups and playoff wins are all that matter then the whole list should be Montreal, Edmonton and NYI. And I guess you were part of the Toews > Crosby group when it was 3-1 right? Yzerman > Lemieux? That's right isn't it?

And yes, I clearly put PPG wins and top 10 PPG.

 

[Neutrinos]

Doesn't Lidstrom have the far superior Norris resume vs. Pronger and they played at the exact same time?

If not for missing chunks of time with injury, he could've easily racked up a few more Norris trophies

47 points in 51 games in '01 (10th in voting)
4 points in 5 games in '03
59 points in 66 games in '07 (3rd in voting)

If Pronger wins the Norris those years - which isn't far fetched - then both he and Lidstrom would have 4 Norris trophies each

 

[PenguinSpeed]

If cups and playoff wins are all that matter then the whole list should be Montreal, Edmonton and NYI. And I guess you were part of the Toews > Crosby group when it was 3-1 right? Yzerman > Lemieux? That's right isn't it?

And yes, I clearly put PPG wins and top 10 PPG.

-Nowhere did you mention career points per game and career playoff points per game. I did, since Malkin and Crosby are the only 2 players born after 1975 to be in both category.

 

[Slap]

I agree that Crosby is way too high, but he's accomplished way more than Malkin.

Crosby--Ovechkin--Malkin
(not including this season)

Hart: 2--3--1
Finalist: 6--5--3
Top 10: 8--7--3
Lindsay: 3--3--1
Ross: 2--1--2
Top 10 pts: 9--8--3
PPG leader: 5--3--1
Top 10 PPG: 10--8--8
Rocket: 2--6--0
Top 10 goals: 4--10--2
GPG leader: 2--7--0
Top 10 GPG: 4--10--4
AST (1st+2nd): 7--9--3
Awards: 11--14--6

Malkin's had 3 seasons when he was actually relevant in the scoring and hart races. PPG is supposed to be his big saving grace but he's the only one who doesn't have multiple PPG wins. And only 3 seasons in top 20 hart voting? That's not a top 25 all time player. Yes his peak was unreal, but this list is for career. And career wise he doesn't have the awards, consistency, multiple pt finishes, etc to justify a place here. Yes injuries played a big part in that, but we can only go off what has actually happened and not fantasy scenarios.

Since you obviously like numbers. Can you explain why Richard is still there in top 5? Erase all irrelevant stuff like muh le French. This guy is no better than Malkin and sure as f*** no better than Hasek and Jagr. The whole list is pure canadiarrhea just in time for the Olympics.

 

[Keduzin]

Selänne, Sundin, Fedorov ?? That list is so bad it’s not even funny

 

[Laineux]

If not for missing chunks of time with injury, he could've easily racked up a few more Norris trophies

47 points in 51 games in '01 (10th in voting)
4 points in 5 games in '03
59 points in 66 games in '07 (3rd in voting)

If Pronger wins the Norris those years - which isn't far fetched - then both he and Lidstrom would have 4 Norris trophies each

Yes. Yes it is. It's extremely far fetched to award three hypothetical major awards for Pronger.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Since you obviously like numbers. Can you explain why Richard is still there in top 5? Erase all irrelevant stuff like muh le French. This guy is no better than Malkin and sure as **** no better than Hasek and Jagr. The whole list is pure canadiarrhea just in time for the Olympics.

Richard vs Malkin

Hart: 1--1
Hart finalist: 6--3
Top 10: 7--3
Ross: 0--2
Top 10 pts: 11--3
PPG leader: 1--1
Top 10 PPG: 12--8
Rocket: 5--0
Top 10 goals: 13--2
GPG leader: 5--0
Top 10 GPG: 14--4
AST (1st+2nd): 14--3
*Awards: 6--6

*no conn smythe or lindsay when Richard played or he would definitely have more

Sorry to burst your bubble but Richard shits all over Malkin (he's better than Jagr too but that's a lot closer). Keep in mind that Richard was up against Howe for most of his career or else the gap would be even bigger.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Selänne, Sundin, Fedorov ?? That list is so bad it’s not even funny

Don't belong anywhere near this list.

 

[Hasbro]

Richard vs Malkin

Hart: 1--1
Hart finalist: 6--3
Top 10: 7--3
Ross: 0--2
Top 10 pts: 11--3
PPG leader: 1--1
Top 10 PPG: 12--8
Rocket: 5--0
Top 10 goals: 13--2
GPG leader: 5--0
Top 10 GPG: 14--4
AST (1st+2nd): 14--3
*Awards: 6--6

*no conn smythe or lindsay when Richard played or he would definitely have more

Sorry to burst your bubble but Richard ****s all over Malkin (he's better than Jagr too but that's a lot closer). Keep in mind that Richard was up against Howe for most of his career or else the gap would be even bigger.

Hockey News had an article on who they would have given the Smythe to and Richard would have won three tying him with Roy for the most.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Hockey News had an article on who they would have given the Smythe to and Richard would have won three tying him with Roy for the most.

More than justifiable. He would've gotten at least 2 for sure.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

You're misunderstanding these comparisons... anyone should realize that Crosby is "better" than any player that played in the 50s or 60s or whatever. These lists aren't measuring absolute abilities.

In a list of best inventors of all time, you wouldn't start arguing that Edison's light bulb is ridiculously primitive compared to modern stuff.

Edison was more of a businessman than inventor, so bad example.