Yeah... Jagr had what, 5 art Ross's and back to back stanley cups?? It's hard to hate on the guy given the financial situation of the team too. Jagr could have came a lot closer to Mario's club record had the team been able to retain Jagr, and not fall into financial oblivion. Crosbys been a lot more fortunate.
but the fact that Mario has played with Jagr, and even Sid for a small amount of team, and ****ing owns the team, and its record books. Sid has ****ing flat out zero chance at kicking Mario out of the number one spot. like he would have to win the cup this year, and for 3 more years, and basically turn the Pens into the 1980's oilers-- which is about the only better team (sans early 80's Islanders/70's Candiens) that I would consider better than the Penguins under the leadership of Mario, and when Jagr's hit his first scoring boom.
Mario number 1 pen ever. Jagr number 2. (Sidney Crosby would have to AT LEAST earn 4 more Art rosses, at least one more rocket) Crosby seems to have a much better chance at getting more Hart trophies. But I think Jagr was flat out robbed of it. And Joe Thorton's two more assists definitley destroyed Jagr's chance at what would have been his second Rocket Richard trophy. Let alone the fact that he almost always scored more assists than goals. Even more so than Crosby I'd say now, since he's switched more to goal scoring.
Do you realize that if either Mario or Jagr would have won the 93/94 Art Ross, they would have as a tandem won it for 10 consecutive seasons with the Penguins. It took Sid this long for lots of people to even consider him being better than Ovi. The 7 consecutive that they do have though, if most definitely a team record in the modern game. Edmonton has 7 in a row two, because Gretzky won 7 in a row. Lemieux even though mario and jagr were nowhere near hitting the top 3 in the 93/94 season season, but a healthy mario is almost a guaranteed top 1-2 scorer.
From 1988 to 2001, the Penguins took home all but 3 individual scoring titles in that 14 year time frame. Crosby and Malkin even come close to that?? nooooo.
Jagr vs Crosby is a LONG way from being even possible to talk about yet. 25 game streak doesn't equal 4 consecutive Art Ross trophies. But really, now, his 4 in a row is something Mario doesn't even has, and something Crosby would have to do for the next 4 seasons.
But Mario just flat out didn't play enough for 4 consecutive scoring titles in a row to be had. Healthy Mario would have rivaled Gretzky's 7 in a row, and Jagr probably would have only won like 3 of them. **** like Mario scoring 69 goals in 60 freaking games (92/93) is just INSANE how can Crosby ever compete with that? Gretzky barely can.
If Crosby is able to push past Jagr in Career points, or stick with the Pens ALMOST reach Jagr's career totals, plus win like 3+ more Stanley cups, but stays with the Pens his whole career like Mario did, then Sid has a chance at taking number 2 Penguin spot from Jagr, but is considered virtually an equal if not slightly less equal player. (If you consider Jagr to be the best european player in the modern NHL)
But really... 4 consecutive Art Rosses as a Pen (Jagr's Club record and I think like top 3 in the NHL) putting Crosby ahead of Jagr this early, wtf how? Jagr played over 800 games with the Penguins, and Crosby is only about to play his 400th. Jagr is a solid second for Penguins all time scoring. which he simply cannot compete with Mario's insane pace at 915 games. Sid does have the better pace than Jagr right now, but he'd have to at least keep his 100pt season minimum pace, and win more art rosses. If it takes Crosby more games a a pen to beat Jagr's record, or doesn't get at least 2 more cups, 3 more art rosses, 2 more hearts, and 2 more rockets. Jagr is still number 2 best Penguin.
I wish the pengs had just said, **** it. lets float jagr's salary, keep lemieux, try to sign one more center. Jagr could have had like 6 consecutive art rosses if he had stayed playing first line with mario, even if he was a risk for injuries.
Jagr's first season with the caps shows how great Mario and Jagr were. If only the Quebec government didn't give Mario a loan for the team earlier, and secured the survival of the Nordiques.
