TSN Dreger: 2021 Draft may get pushed to 2022
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If this happens, when would the lottery be? Would teams have the better part of a year knowing where they pick, or would they do the lottery just before the draft.
Knowing you have a top2,3,5 pick for a year is a pretty huge asset.
Knowing you have a top2,3,5 pick for a year is a pretty huge asset.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Would be completely unfair to the teams who did not make playoffs to keep them in suspense for a whole year while playoffs are undergone for those who do. I think it's easy decision that they have draft lottery at season's end and before commencement of playoffs like they normally do. Could also create serious excitement for all the speculations to come with those teams who do hold top 5 picks and such.
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Yea, teams drafting 10-30 i'm sure would be thrilled. Teams drafting in the top 10 not so much.. Nobody can even agree on the top 3 in this draft, not even close.
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Yes, there’d be to many teams if each Canadian junior A league sent their own team plus they wouldn’t be competitive enough imo.
Maplebeasts
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I don't like this if it happens. Bails out teams that didn't do their homework and hurts Seattle.
Benttheknee
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So i hear this all the time that the NHL wants to move the draft to 19 etc.
There's actually a legal reason they can't.
In Canada you can't prevent an 18 year old from working professionally.
So if they move the draft right now, there's actually nothing from preventing a team from just signing any 18 year they wanted to. (foregoing the draft, similar to when a player gets passed over in the draft)
If they do some collective bargaining to prevent this, any player in Canada could challenge this in court, and would win as it currently stands.
I'm not sure a judge would let it slide for covid as the laws tend to favor the employee's rights. And in this case it's costing certain employees millions of dollars.
If they want to move the draft either due to covid or just a higher age in general they would need something like basketball/football witch some university experience. (that qualifies under a professional program). It's not clear if 1 round they're allowed to draft at 18 etc. (Probably they would have to do something like you can draft at 18 in any round but they can't go to the chl). Legally they would be allowed to play in the AHL as that's a professional league, but this messes up their CHL agreement then.
There's actually a legal reason they can't.
In Canada you can't prevent an 18 year old from working professionally.
So if they move the draft right now, there's actually nothing from preventing a team from just signing any 18 year they wanted to. (foregoing the draft, similar to when a player gets passed over in the draft)
If they do some collective bargaining to prevent this, any player in Canada could challenge this in court, and would win as it currently stands.
I'm not sure a judge would let it slide for covid as the laws tend to favor the employee's rights. And in this case it's costing certain employees millions of dollars.
If they want to move the draft either due to covid or just a higher age in general they would need something like basketball/football witch some university experience. (that qualifies under a professional program). It's not clear if 1 round they're allowed to draft at 18 etc. (Probably they would have to do something like you can draft at 18 in any round but they can't go to the chl). Legally they would be allowed to play in the AHL as that's a professional league, but this messes up their CHL agreement then.
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Someone said it early in this thread and I will reiterate it: This is a bush league idea
No other major professional league would ever consider this, its as stupid as it is shortsighted. The draft age is not going to change because the players would sue, the NHLPA would never allow a change in the draft age. Therefore, all this idea promotes is the cover your ass attitude that politicians used to shut down sports all over North America to begin with. The players can continue to develop in juniors, even if the stupidly lost most of a year of development in the meantime. None of the NHL are at a disadvantage from a talent evaluation standpoint. The NHL, by even floating this idea, underlined what a provincial, small time organization it can be at times. Embarrassing truthfully, that this is even being considered.
No other major professional league would ever consider this, its as stupid as it is shortsighted. The draft age is not going to change because the players would sue, the NHLPA would never allow a change in the draft age. Therefore, all this idea promotes is the cover your ass attitude that politicians used to shut down sports all over North America to begin with. The players can continue to develop in juniors, even if the stupidly lost most of a year of development in the meantime. None of the NHL are at a disadvantage from a talent evaluation standpoint. The NHL, by even floating this idea, underlined what a provincial, small time organization it can be at times. Embarrassing truthfully, that this is even being considered.
Rayquaza64
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I think the last thing NHL scouts want is the precedence that video scouting is comparable to in-person scouting. You know a ton of teams will try to use it to go cheap on their staff.
Rayquaza64
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they would still need scouts to watch the games, relying on video scouting should just be a one year affair and then teams can go back to in person scouting
If that were at all true, there would have been a free for all with all 31 teams trying to sign Lafreniere when he turned 18 well before the 2020 NHL draft. The concept of overage draftees would also be completely nonexistent and a player like Tanner Pearson wouldn’t have been taken 30th overall at the age of 20.
Players are free to sign pro deals with other leagues, but if you want to play in the NHL you play by the rules they dictate, full stop.
It is true
At 18 a player is eligible for the draft.
They can't sign before them because a player isn't eligible to play in the NHL until the season starts.
So your point doesn't make any sense?
Also there is an incentive for players to get drafted (the rookie contract amounts are greater for drafted players, especially 1st rounders and 1st overalls)
You're wrong on the play by the rules they dictate part. No organization's policies can ever supercede the law.
Regarding overage players, any overage (or undrafed, once the draft is over) player can sign as an urestricted free agent.
Teams will use it as justification. Tons are looking to cut jobs and expenses. GMs probably want to protect their people by pushing it a year.
You’re wildly, hilariously wrong about this on a great many points. North American players who remain undrafted by age 20 are considered to be UFA’s, not before.
The NHL and NHLPA have a collective bargaining agreement and in that agreement the rules for draft eligibility and free agent eligibility are well covered. No one is saying players can’t play pro hockey for anyone they choose, but if you want to play in the NHL, you’ll do it their way.
Rookie contracts are capped at under $1 million per year whether you’re 1st overall or 200th overall. The higher the draft pedigree, the better bonuses you can negotiate on top of that.
The NHL and NHLPA have a collective bargaining agreement and in that agreement the rules for draft eligibility and free agent eligibility are well covered. No one is saying players can’t play pro hockey for anyone they choose, but if you want to play in the NHL, you’ll do it their way.
Rookie contracts are capped at under $1 million per year whether you’re 1st overall or 200th overall. The higher the draft pedigree, the better bonuses you can negotiate on top of that.
Yeah, to delay the draft a year all it takes is an amendment to the CBA. They can make whatever rules they want (within reason), the NFL requires 3 years removed from High-School for example, and it was upheld in the courts.
Doesn't give much of an idea because some guys have played more than others. Some guys are strong/poor starters. Some guys may be injured. Some guys may just have a bad game or two.
You need more than 4-5 games to tell.
