Trouba trade looks better everyday for the jets

Guffman

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Oh wow there's no way a GM would overpay an UFA right!?

Hayes is a fine 2nd line center, but he ain't anything more than that. If you want to change my mind you're going to have to use more than what one GM offered him in salary.

You mean, how the Rangers overpaid for money hungry Trouba? Yeah, I guess there are GM’s that aren’t careful with their salary cap.

So, you upgraded Hayes to a “fine second line center” from “average”? Huh. To be factual, Hayes was having a career year and he was impactful in his production with the Jets.

The Jets almost knocked off the eventual Stanley Cup Champs. Nothing wrong with going for it on a talent studded team that would be partially broken up next year.
 

Guffman

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asset management is trying to win the cup while your window is open.

the jets were coming to the end of a couple of elc's

they thought hayes might of helped put them over the top.

bad asset management would of been paying him the $50 mil contract

Yeah, some posters have no clue about “going for it” when your window is open. They’d rather stockpile first rounders so these draftees to sit on the third or fourth line and get pissed off because the team is already stacked.

It’s a very small minded outlook.
 

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As far as analytics go Pionk has been way better defensively this year than Trouba. Trouba has been pretty lucky so far so he looks good but that probably won’t last. He has never been anything special after all. If Pionk can keep his play up I would probably rather have him especially with the contracts being what they are.
 

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As far as analytics go Pionk has been way better defensively this year than Trouba. Trouba has been pretty lucky so far so he looks good but that probably won’t last. He has never been anything special after all. If Pionk can keep his play up I would probably rather have him especially with the contracts being what they are.

This is hilarious. Lets just throw out everything both players have done in their careers and look at what Trouba has done thru THREE games this year and what Pionk has done through 8....gtfo
 
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To be fair it was a good trade for both teams. Trouba clearly didn't want to be there and picking up Pionk and drafting Heinola is a best-case outcome for Jets. New York will get the short-term benefit of Trouba and Winnipeg will get the long-term benefit with some short-term benefit from Pionk/Heinola. Just a solid trade overall with two winning teams.

It absolutely was not a win for winnipeg, you can keep saying it but it doesn't mean it's true. The Jets got hosed.
 
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Belzebob

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It absolutely was not a win for winnipeg, you can keep saying it but it doesn't mean it's true. The Jets got hosed.

oh good

another one who has no idea of what happened with trouba and the jets.

but no worries when trouba starts coughing up the puck in front of the rangers net you will understand.

we got to see lots of that in winnipeg
 

Uncle Scrooge

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I'll never not see this trade as Trouba and Lemieux for Pionk.

Pionk looks more promising than expected but Chevy was bent over on this one. Horrible asset management yet again. Chevy can draft but he is horrible at managing a playoff team/ contender .

If everyone in the league knows Trouba wants to play in NY, what can you do really? Pionk + 1st was the best offer he got and that's it. Sometimes you're put in shitty situations.

It's annoying people think Chevy should've somehow found a way to win this trade. Senators basically got the same return plus a 2nd+Balcers+depth dman DeMelo for EK who had a higher status than Trouba. It is what it is.

Yes it sucked but it's unrealistic to think there was anything else available. You can't change what the market is in these situations.

Could they have kept Trouba for the season and then trade him @ the TDL? Sure, but what if he got injured. Or the team is in a playoff spot, decides to keep him and then loses in the 1st round. End up with nothing.

Could they have traded him couple years ago? Sure, but there were ongoing contract talks, it wasn't a given Trouba couldn't sign with the Jets long-term, especially when the team was on the rise and everyone was excited. Timing doesn't make sense to suddenly give up one of your best dmen, not to the players in the room or the fans.
 

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If everyone in the league knows Trouba wants to play in NY, what can you do really? Pionk + 1st was the best offer he got and that's it. Sometimes you're put in ****ty situations.

It's annoying people think Chevy should've somehow found a way to win this trade. Senators basically got the same return plus a 2nd+Balcers+depth dman DeMelo for EK who had a higher status than Trouba. It is what it is.

Yes it sucked but it's unrealistic to think there was anything else available. You can't change what the market is in these situations.

Could they have kept Trouba for the season and then trade him @ the TDL? Sure, but what if he got injured. Or the team is in a playoff spot, decides to keep him and then loses in the 1st round. End up with nothing.

Could they have traded him couple years ago? Sure, but there were ongoing contract talks, it wasn't a given Trouba couldn't sign with the Jets long-term, especially when the team was on the rise and everyone was excited. Timing doesn't make sense to suddenly give up one of your best dmen, not to the players in the room or the fans.

pretty much this in a nutshell

good summary
 
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I'd like to thank the Jets for Tyler Meyers while we are discussing small sample sizes. He has been lights out for us so far, and is filling the exact role we needed him to fill.
 

Belzebob

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I'd like to thank the Jets for Tyler Meyers while we are discussing small sample sizes. He has been lights out for us so far, and is filling the exact role we needed him to fill.

I have never said anything bad about Meyers. I am glad he fills a role for you.

the jets did not have the money for him.
 

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You mean, how the Rangers overpaid for money hungry Trouba? Yeah, I guess there are GM’s that aren’t careful with their salary cap.

So, you upgraded Hayes to a “fine second line center” from “average”? Huh. To be factual, Hayes was having a career year and he was impactful in his production with the Jets.

The Jets almost knocked off the eventual Stanley Cup Champs. Nothing wrong with going for it on a talent studded team that would be partially broken up next year.
Fine and average mean the same thing in this context. Fine = ok, not fine = great like a fine wine.

Our team was not competing for a cup last season, we looked awful for the 2nd half of the season, though we played fairly decent in the series against the Blues for 4 + 2/3 of the games I will admit.

Rangers overpaid a bit, but Trouba is a legitimate top pair defensemen, overpaying a million dollars to lock one up for 7 years won't kill you.
 

JetsWillFly4Ever

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It absolutely was not a win for winnipeg, you can keep saying it but it doesn't mean it's true. The Jets got hosed.
What would your solution have been? How were the Jets to get better value?

Remember he has one year left on his deal and emphasized his desire to play in certain markets.

The deal wasn't great for the Jets, but if Heinola and Pionk continue to develop it could turn into the best of a bad situation.
 

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In light of the Byfuglien situation, the Jets would likely have been better off letting Trouba play this season, and letting him walk as an UFA. However, hindsight is everything.
 

Leafs87

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I don’t know how you came to this conclusion. The Jets D is definitely amongst the worst Ds in the past few years.
 

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Some fans really need to put the brakes on pumping Heinola. Franchise defenseman? Really? After playing a handful of NHL games, you already know that an 18-year old defenseman, who does not have exceptional numbers before being drafted, will be a franchise defenseman? OK then.
 

irunthepeg

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Clears the crease. Can man the point. Wins 1-on-1 battles. Strong on the PK. Cannon of a shot. Throws his body. Good outlet passer.

The only criticism I have is when he takes himself out of a play going for a hit. He did that a few times in pre-season, but he's been a rock for us in the 3 regular season games thus far.

Suggesting Trouba sucks makes you sound bitter.

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Clears the crease. Can man the point. Wins 1-on-1 battles. Strong on the PK. Cannon of a shot. Throws his body. Good outlet passer.

The only criticism I have is when he takes himself out of a play going for a hit. He did that a few times in pre-season, but he's been a rock for us in the 3 regular season games thus far.

Suggesting Trouba sucks makes you sound bitter.
I agree though, Trouba does suck. He's not even a hasbeen, he's a neverwas imo.
 
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Guffman

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Fine and average mean the same thing in this context. Fine = ok, not fine = great like a fine wine.

Our team was not competing for a cup last season, we looked awful for the 2nd half of the season, though we played fairly decent in the series against the Blues for 4 + 2/3 of the games I will admit.

Rangers overpaid a bit, but Trouba is a legitimate top pair defensemen, overpaying a million dollars to lock one up for 7 years won't kill you.

The Jets were absolutely competing for the Cup last year. You can clutch on regular season performance, but the Jets brought their game in the playoffs and almost knocked off the SC Champs.

Overpaying players is just brainless. Not that Trouba was resigning with the Jets, but I am glad he shows restraint and doesn’t waste precious salary cap dollars (Trouba, Meyers, Tanev, Chairot)
 
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Guffman

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In light of the Byfuglien situation, the Jets would likely have been better off letting Trouba play this season, and letting him walk as an UFA. However, hindsight is everything.

Obviously, this is a big hole with Buff MIA. We still don’t know his intentions so keeping Trouba would have been excessively risky.
 

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What would your solution have been? How were the Jets to get better value?

Remember he has one year left on his deal and emphasized his desire to play in certain markets.

The deal wasn't great for the Jets, but if Heinola and Pionk continue to develop it could turn into the best of a bad situation.

Trade him well before they did, or overpay him. Either are better options.
 

super6646

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LOL

Skjei-Trouba is one of the best pairs in the league. The jets are josh Morrissey and a bunch of guys from the rec-centre.
 

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