News Article: Trouba Gets Two

[Karl Eriksson]

Not liking the optics of all this.

Stone leaves the game and Boucher says in the post-game presser than "it looks like a disaster right now".

Turns out, all three guys make the trip, including the guy we thought had a concussion.

As for the play itself, if Stone didn't say down, no one would have been calling for a major penalty. The hit was poorly timed but Trouba did not elbow him and his arm was tucked in. The principal point of contact was the head, but it wasn't vicious and it didn't look like he had an intent to injure. If Stone got up, everyone would have been satisfied with a 2 min penalty for contact with the head.

I love the Sens and Stone is my favourite player, but this doesn't look great on them. I am being objective when I say that if Stone really isn't hurt (and the NHL wouldn't cite it if there was any doubt about it) then the Sens look like a team fishing for a suspension.

My guess is that Stone had a neck injury at the beginning of the year and he probably tweaked it again. When he went down, it almost looked like a whiplash type of thing. When he got up today and ran his tests, the Sens had to be truthful to the league about a concussion. Stone probably has a really sore neck but that's it.

You are just weaving together a bunch of conjecture. No one knows his condition.

 

[internetdotcom]

I think the fact that Stone is cleared to fly with the team is encouraging. Does anyone here with (legitimate) medical expertise know whether it is safe to fly with even a mild concussion? In my (extremely uninformed medical) opinion, I'd guess not.

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

I think the fact that Stone is cleared to fly with the team is encouraging. Does anyone here with (legitimate) medical expertise know whether it is safe to fly with even a mild concussion? In my (extremely uninformed medical) opinion, I'd guess not.

Not that I have any experience. But I would guess if he's traveling with the team they think he will be well enough to play in one of the games.

If it was bad he wouldn't be going with the team.

 

[starling]

 

[DrEasy]

Ideally they should suspend him for the next two games facing us, not facing some other team, especially when it screws us up even more.

 

[Langdon Alger]

Yes, obviously.

So, no one would complain if we lost a good player for five games on the same hit? Yeah, not sure about that. People see these types of things differently when their teams player is the one who threw the check.

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Good. That piece of **** needs to learn lesson for touching Stone next game.

 

[Beville]

Hey... all this complaining about 2 games...

At least we've had a suspension called in our favour - look at Geno when he flew into Wheeler; didn't even get a second look at by DoPS.

 

[NickLidstrom]

I'm ok with 2 games. I just wanted a suspension to validate that that was not ok.

Same here. Wasn't even expecting 2.

 

[16w]

i would have been happier if there was no suspension, and instead Trouba received 5 minutes and a game misconduct.

It's only fair that if Stone wasn't able to finish the game, then neither should Trouba. I read somewhere the rule states that 5 minute penalties are handed out when there is intent to injure, but 5 minutes should be handed out if the result of the infraction is that the player is injured.


Nevertheless, as much as the hit irked me, I was far more concerned when Subban slashed Stone's hand in the playoffs... just in case you forgot that we hate Subban.

 

[NyQuil]

I find it hilarious that you can have a 5 minute major for interference but you can't have one for illegal check to the head that lands the guy on his back and then out of the game.

 

[jason2020]

Charliebox

Every team does that its not so much trying to get more out of the league but they are waiting to see just take the Leafs with Mariner.

 

[Micklebot]

I find it hilarious that you can have a 5 minute major for interference but you can't have one for illegal check to the head that lands the guy on his back and then out of the game.

I was thinking the same thing. Capping illegal hit to the head at 2 mins, with the assumption that other existing rules could cover incidents that warrant more is a clear issue with the current rules imo.

Accidental High stick? 2 mins
Accidental high stick causing injury? Double minor

Cross check? 2 mins, 5 mins + game misconduct based on the severity of the cross check, Match penalty if there was intent to injure

Interference 2 mins, 5 depending on the degree of violence.

Boarding 2 mins, 5 depending on the degree of violence,

and it goes on. Many other penalties can escalate on ice punishment depending on how severe the transgression was, but not illegal check to the head. High stick in particular to me seems like a good comparable; 4 mins even if it was your stick getting lifted into an opposing player causing injury.

 

[RealSpartan]

I think the fact that Stone is cleared to fly with the team is encouraging. Does anyone here with (legitimate) medical expertise know whether it is safe to fly with even a mild concussion? In my (extremely uninformed medical) opinion, I'd guess not.

My wife is an M.D. specialist in rehab (stroke, head/brain injury, spinal cord injury, amputation, etc.). She told me that there's generally nothing specific about concussion that would prevent a person from flying. So for me, there's not much to celebrate there specifically. It's more that if such a person is very seriously injured they probably would stay grounded for treatment and monitoring and rehab. For me, that is the slightly more reassuring part.

 

[chipsens]

I don't give a **** about Trouba's 2G suspension, esp since it only benefits the Leafs not Sens. I am more concerned about the lack of team response, just like when EK's Achilles was accidentally stepped on by Matt Cooke. Weak. What's stopping other teams from cheap-shotting Stone the NEXT TIME?!

 

[Micklebot]

My wife is an M.D. specialist in rehab (stroke, head/brain injury, spinal cord injury, amputation, etc.). She told me that there's generally nothing specific about concussion that would prevent a person from flying. So for me, there's not much to celebrate there specifically. It's more that if such a person is very seriously injured they probably would stay grounded for treatment and monitoring and rehab. For me, that is the slightly more reassuring part.

Idk, it's not so much that he's flying that suggests anything, but rather the fact that he's going on the road trip suggests that the team thinks he might be available for one of the next 4 games. Heck, probably even on of the next two, as they could have kept him home and flew him direct to Florida or even had him meet us in Carolina.

 

[starling]

Ideally they should suspend him for the next two games facing us, not facing some other team, especially when it screws us up even more.

Why this is not a rule? I can't see any arguments against it.

 

[Zorf]

I've always disliked that the severity of the injury is such a huge determining factor in the punishment handed out.

So it looks like Stone "might" not be hurt as bad as originally thought. Ok, so Trouba gets 2 games because he wasn't hurt that bad.

BUT

If the EXACT same hit happens again but the player who gets hit suffers a more serious injury, suddenly the EXACT SAME HIT deserves a harsher penalty?

It's just always been a thing that bugs me. Why not punish the action regardless of the result? If you really want to get headshots out of the game, punish the action of the hit, not the result of the hit.

 

[Zorf]

Why this is not a rule? I can't see any arguments against it.

because then the penalty will span this season and into next season and if he retires then he retires without suffering the consequences of his action.

Imagine a guy got 10 games but played in the West? It would take YEARS for his suspension to be finished.

Its easier this way

 

[TheNewEra]

Ideally they should suspend him for the next two games facing us, not facing some other team, especially when it screws us up even more.

since that could lead to the potential that suspension to last years it should be that the team the offence was against gets to choose what games said player sits out for

then if its a team where its west and east we could be like ok you sit out games v your rivals

forcing trouba to sit out v a team that is also in the playoff hunt with them would hurt them so much where the 2 games would almost be accepted

 

[Micklebot]

Why this is not a rule? I can't see any arguments against it.

I guess the argument would be the punishment is intended to dissuade future actions by the transgressor, not to benefit or give an advantage to the victim.

It kind of sucks that his getting suspended actually is a disadvantage for us, but that's kind of a rarity.

Truth be told, the advantage we get should have come from on ice penalties; they need to give illegal check to the head more teeth in terms of in ice punishment; a double minor or 5 and a game would have helped us a lot more than the suspension and would have been more in line with other on ice penalties like high sticking causing injury (double minor), or interference/boarding with particularly violent hits (5 mins and a game misconduct I believe, at the refs digression).

 

[Engineer]

2 games because no injury sustained, now that it is confirmed he did sustain injury, should it not be 4 or 5?

**** the NHL and their incompetence.

 

[jbeck5]

Why this is not a rule? I can't see any arguments against it.

The only one i can think of is if a player from a different conference deserves a hefty suspension (like 20 games or something) it's likely they play them only a couple more times in their career so they would hardly get punished.

 

[starling]

The only one i can think of is if a player from a different conference deserves a hefty suspension (like 20 games or something) it's likely they play them only a couple more times in their career so they would hardly get punished.

Yeah, the idea where a team decides which games of the current season player will miss IMO is the best one.

 

[Whippet]

I don't give a **** about Trouba's 2G suspension, esp since it only benefits the Leafs not Sens. I am more concerned about the lack of team response, just like when EK's Achilles was accidentally stepped on by Matt Cooke. Weak. What's stopping other teams from cheap-shotting Stone the NEXT TIME?!

We were trying to win the game.

Every single point is needed as it is now and we couldn't afford taking an instigation penalty at the time of the tackle. You'll get your blood next time we face the Jets.