Rumor: Trotz says he done?
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Sweet Jesus. I don't like the vibe of Friedman dropping this today. Seems like a shitty move to me.
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I mean, everyone kinda figures that he has to at least get past Pitt to get a contract extension and I'd say if he doesn't get to the finals he's gone regardless of the 2nd round.
He's just never gonna have a better team then last year, if he can't get it done with the best then you're just playing for coin flips coupled with his game style being from a dying age.
He's just never gonna have a better team then last year, if he can't get it done with the best then you're just playing for coin flips coupled with his game style being from a dying age.
Even if you fire him, the core is still bad and not cup worthy. Without an adjustment this team is going nowhere. I don't truly believe that the core of Backstrom, Holtby, Oveckin, Carlson and Kuzy are good enough to win. I'd say trade Backstrom for a high impact winger. Coach is not the true issue here, sorry for destroying your hopes.
Once every few months someone steps up that really see things for what they really are.
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Yes.
He was asked about it in his post game conference and his answer seemed like he was caught off guard that someone caught this interaction then he basically admitted that he said it but that it wasn't what people think he was talking about. There was no sense of "What are you people talking about? That's crazy. I have no idea what you're referencing." It was like he got caught.
I want Trotz gone, but that this is his mindset in the playoffs is hot garbage.
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They don't call coaching without a contract for next year "a dead man walking" for no reason.
This all falls squarely on Dick Patrick's shoulders. I am convinced more than ever Ted and Brian are merely pawns.
This all falls squarely on Dick Patrick's shoulders. I am convinced more than ever Ted and Brian are merely pawns.
It's possible it's mutual and he was planning to retire at the end of the season regardless of outcome. He may not have wanted an extension.
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Looking at the video again, pretty clear to me Torts said "I hope" initially. I think I also see "contract" in there. Could have been "I hope you get your contract renewed, you deserve it" type thing. He also had that "oh Im sorry" look at the end of the exchange. I'm pretty confident Friedman is correct.
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Name 2 people that have been in charge of every single playoff failure, in the past 40 years.
Ok, ok. Name 1.
There is only one name. Eventually, his role as president deserves discussion as we see the day to day happenings of the team.
Disclaimer, unless Barry had already decided to retire at the end of this year, BEFORE we expected him to coach this year without an extension in place. A well liked coach is almost always under contract for the following season, for many reasons.
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How do you know if Patrick is the one that's been pulling the strings all along? How do we know what type of president he is?
I've seen some people claim that even Leonsis is Patrick's puppet.
It all seems like speculation to me.
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I also think you've got to keep in mind the family aspect. Barry has a son that's still school age with down syndrome, they've only ever lived in two cities and the adjustment to DC (well NoVA) was apparently tough for the family. A few months into his first season here Barry said that it had taken a while for his son to adjust to his new school and they felt the school had been under staffing the classroom but now they had a new aide in the classroom so he was happier.
It's so incredibly tough for families with children that have disabilities to move around. I really would not be surprised if Barry hangs it up and stays here after he retires. For all our knocks about him as a coach he is a fantastic human being and I would love to see him stay involved in the philanthropic side of the club. He's the best coach we've ever had, I think our dissatisfaction with him shouldn't obscure that fact.
It's so incredibly tough for families with children that have disabilities to move around. I really would not be surprised if Barry hangs it up and stays here after he retires. For all our knocks about him as a coach he is a fantastic human being and I would love to see him stay involved in the philanthropic side of the club. He's the best coach we've ever had, I think our dissatisfaction with him shouldn't obscure that fact.
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If I was him I'm not sure I would want an extension either. There is a lot of pressure on him to win but I honestly don't think the Caps have the personnel to succeed in the playoffs. We are full of soft players that have a lot of individual skills. Not as much team skills.
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Patrick is a key decision-maker regarding who to hire as GM and for other key roles. The record of failure of those hires speaks for itself. This is how organizations work. The people at the top create the culture and are responsible for things play out on the ground (or ice, in this case).
If you don’t think Patrick is part of the decision making, then why is he even here?
If the argument is he’s not able to call the shots, then he needs to be replaced.
If the argument is he is calling the shots, then the answer is the same. He needs to be replaced.
Add to it that he’s almost 73, and it’s time to retire. Caps needs some fresh blood to orchestrate the last few years of Ovey’s tenure. Someone that will help GMBM get things done and improve the pro scouting group and the rest of it.
If the argument is he’s not able to call the shots, then he needs to be replaced.
If the argument is he is calling the shots, then the answer is the same. He needs to be replaced.
Add to it that he’s almost 73, and it’s time to retire. Caps needs some fresh blood to orchestrate the last few years of Ovey’s tenure. Someone that will help GMBM get things done and improve the pro scouting group and the rest of it.
Just curious but what specific examples of blame/credit for other teams presidents can those who are now heaping blame on Patrick cite?
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Sure but we wouldn't be having this conversation if the players did their job last year. We were inches away from success, and I really mean it.
The Caps have been a playoff team 87% of the time since he was put in charge. The margin between winning and losing in the NHL is incredibly small. Patrick as team president is not very involved in the daily operations of the company. That's GMBM's job, and all his subordinates in the hockey ops department. That's how a hockey team normally runs.
It's not like we have Eugene Melnyk or Peter Pocklington as our owner.
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