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Trotz and Barzal
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Reason I like this is that it keeps Barzal and Eberle together.
I have always liked Beau's game. Slotting him between Bailey and Bellows as a 2C puts responsibility on him that I think will help him thrive.
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The obvious question that individual statistics raises is how do you replace those that were scored by he whose name will never again cross my lips. As I've said elsewhere, improvement on defense which I believe we will see will mitigate the loss of the scoring brought by he whose name will never again pass my lips. And I think the team is ready to buy into a strong defensive philosophy after last year's barn fire.
Defense in any sport, particularly in basketball and hockey in which the defender can turn into an offensive threat in a split second requires commitment to the system. The great NY Knicks teams of the early 70s bought into Red Holzman's defensive scheme (characterized by the repeated reminder "see the ball, see the ball") and their success at the offensive end fed off their defense.
No Knick was in the top 5 in any offensive category in 1969-70 save for Walt Frazier who was second in assists. Team was ninth in offense but first in defense and their points allowed was 6 points better than their nearest competitor.,
All this is a longwinded way of saying - we now have a coach who recognizes that you succeed with defense. His prior success at his two earlier stops and his cup win ought to go a long way in convincing the team to buy into the system.
Now, it may not gell immediately. But as I have said elsewhere, I think Lou is strengthening the team at the defensive end. That is where even we non-professionals fully understood that the problem lay.
Trotz' defense "System" will not hamper any of these players offensively. In fact, better structure and discipline in the defenseive lone will lead to less shots against and higher possession, thus should actually lead to more offensive possession and zone time because we're not getting pegged in for 2 minutes at a time.
Don't think Barzal suffers offensively at all. He may get few points but this would likely just because he'll be going up against tougher matchups and that once you're at a PPG, it's tough to improve. Think it is just as likely he grows and maybe hits 90 points than it is he gets less than 75.
Don't think Barzal suffers offensively at all. He may get few points but this would likely just because he'll be going up against tougher matchups and that once you're at a PPG, it's tough to improve. Think it is just as likely he grows and maybe hits 90 points than it is he gets less than 75.
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I think his points will be similar, but I think he'll have more goals and less assists. He likes the pretty pass to set up line mates, but there were times last year I wished he'd shoot more. Hopefully Trotz feels the same way. Our whole team tried to get too pretty on offense last year.
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I think # 13 gets atleast 60 assists. So being close to a point a game in my humble opinion is in the cards
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Im expecting 70-90 pts. He either takes a bit of a dive or ramps it up a notch.
He saw first pairing D for half a season and increased his production. My guess is he’ll be stronger, smarter, and more polished this year w development.
He saw first pairing D for half a season and increased his production. My guess is he’ll be stronger, smarter, and more polished this year w development.
- frankly I dont care if Barzal has 65 points or he has 95 points, his line mates, who will be getting first line minutes is where I'm looking at. If beau and eberle are his first line mates, i wouldn't be surprised to see 30-30 for everly and 25-45 for beau
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Have to admit that looking at it from Trotz' perspective, going from a team with Backstrom, Ovechkin, Holtsby, Carlson, Niskanen, Kuznetsov, et al to the NYI roster has to be a bit of a shock to the system.
Barry will HAVE to change his system for this roster, because the parts listed above are all vastly better than pretty much anything the NYI have. I know he's getting paid a lot but the talent that idiot Garf assembled compared to the SC champs is miles apart right now. We ARE going to be the Washington Generals this coming season.
The only thing that makes sense is a true five year plan - but this time from experienced team management who has done it before, unlike 12 years given to a former backup goaltender with ZERO team management/drafting experience.
I just fear we will suck for the next several years to get there. Wasn't happy losing JT but that is a crushing blow as our roster after the second line is garbage and badly overpaid, our D utterly sucks and we don't even have a starting goalie right now (they need to sign Lehner who I like).
We're going to be in a tough spot for a while, I think...
I hear ya on some of this- but overall too bleak IMHO. LL got TOR turned around in less than 3 years- and with less to work with coming in (at least in terms of players he actually wanted to keep- think there are only three still on the team today). Next year may be choppy/transitional- but if the goal (as I think it should be) is to deliver a highly competitive, Eastern Conference contender by the time we hit Belmont in 3 years than I see no reason why we couldn’t get there on time. LL & Trotz are going to speed things along IMHO- both obviously and less obviously...
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It really won't make a difference - he'll just keep circling the zone to build up speed and drag defenders out of position. He's a stud.
To the point of the thread, if he does see a decline in points it will probably be due to missing JT and/or typical sophomore slump factors. I don't think Trotz's system will have much of an impact on the way he plays.
I understand that. I’m just saying... do you remember the red wings before yzerman. They were the “dead things”, not the “red wings”. One player changed the entire face of the team. It’s quite the burden, but we need a yzerman.
Yup. The Chia line should stay as is. Tony B - Barzal -Eberle. We really do need a 2c to set up Bailey and Lee. This was a pretty weak free agency class, so we’ll have to trade for one or go on a retool for a few years.
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I would not give him the C just yet.
It is too much unnecessary pressure.
He is becoming the new face of the franchise, the #1C. Let him focus on that and not the captain's role right now.
does anyone have his WHL stats for faceoff pctg ?
he took approx 800 faceoffs last season with a 43% rate ; in comparision , JT's 18 year old season 09-10 , he took approx 1100 faceoffs with 47% pctg.
JT improved to 53% in his sophmore season
he took approx 800 faceoffs last season with a 43% rate ; in comparision , JT's 18 year old season 09-10 , he took approx 1100 faceoffs with 47% pctg.
JT improved to 53% in his sophmore season
That’s a fair assessment. I think I may still be stuck in the fallout of other events. Looking for a captain. Got me talking to myself like Bernie Mac.
I have no stats. Nor do I have any desire to look up face off stats. But I think it improves with experience.
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