Convenient though that we don't look at what happened in Boston. Question is this....to show how great Timmins is pre compared to during Lefebvre era, I'm told ''Did Timmins forgot how to draft? How come he was so good before, and was bad after? Why can't we use that with Julien? How come Julien looked much better in Boston with kids compared to with Montreal? Did he forgot how to influx confidence and icetime?
Julien prefers guys that are 2-way. Suzuki developped under Julien. JK will develop under Julien. Evans might develop under Julien. Mete did develop (as much as he could) under Julien.
well we know what happened in boston, they got smart and canned his ass. So clearly things couldn't have been working out great if he gets fired mid season. I just don't spend time following other NHL teams, I only have so much time and it's spent on Hab prospects.
I don't see the point of comparing a head coach to what a scout does but if you want to go for it.
Suzuki still had to start on the 4th line to be a better person, wonder how the team does if he's in the top 6 from day 1 like a player with his skill, IQ, confidence and two way game should be imo.
It's funny how he gives Evans the exact situation some of us have called for with other prospects but it's the only time off the top of my head he had a prospect make his NHL debut with 2 top 6 players. So why do that with Evans but no one else, not even Suzuki?
Mete I still don't really know what to make of, he was rushed, now we'll see what the plan is for him.
This very board. Like I said before, when people ask how come Timmins was so great before and bad with Lefebvre...that means, Timmins is exempt. When people give him excuses based on the picks he had to work with from 08-11, that's excusing him. When people say that despite the numberous picks in 12-13, those were bad years, they excuse him.
I don't know how you figure that, no one has said Timmins is exempt from criticism, if they have I haven't seen it. There's a big difference between saying he made mistakes, he's at fault to some degree but let's look at it in the proper context. There is 100% nothing wrong with saying yes he failed but he also had the least amount of picks ANY Hab scout has had since pre 1970. I have always said EVERYONE involved share some blame, I continue to say Timmins has his share of the blame, but I can still point out the how and why's. It does not absolve him of blame, it's just shedding light on things.
So once again, it does NOT mean he's exempt, and I wouldn't call it an excuse since it's not letting him off the hook. He shares blame in this 100%, everyone should agree that he made mistakes. But pointing out that he had very few top 50 picks isn't done to say he's not to blame it's done to say he f***ed up but maybe it wouldn't have been as bad he he had more top 5o picks or when he did have them he was unlucky that '12/'13 were not strong drafts. But even with that said he's still to blame. He had picks, he made them, they most busted. Management, coaching, didn't help these kids which imo made it worse.
There is NO harm whatsoever in pointing out that 2012 draft class is weak. There's nothing wrong with looking at everything and pointing things out that are directly related to the topic. It's crazy to think otherwise.
Great. Does that mean that Lefebvre's tenure as a head coach should also be put in context based on those drafts too? 'Cause if so I've NEVER read that anywhere. Funny thing is that Timmins needs context for those 08-11 drafts...but Lefebvre should be badly judged for mishandling Leblanc, Tinordi and Beaulieu? Besides, the whole context for Timmins is understandable. Yet, when I kept reading how he's the best in the world, I would hope that he doesn't need what the worst of head scout needs...which is TONS of picks, as high as possible.
well if Lefebvre had any track record of success before joining Hamilton we could look at it and say how he had past success but under Timmins it went bad. But since the guy was never a head coach at ANY level before or after we have nothing else to go other then it's telling that one guy got promoted and the other never found another head coaching job.
I don't know where you get this stuff, show me someone that says Timmins is the best in the world.
Do you think I come in here having nothing else to do...and starts those conversations? You will see that everytime I come back....it's in response to somebody. So how long do we have to repeat? Unless you want a 1-way conversation, I will repeat as many times as people want to single out Lefebvre as bad as he was.
you don't get tired of repeating the same stuff over and over and over and over? What's the point of it all? Why do you care if people want to blame Lefebvre for sucking at his job, which we all know he did or else he would be a head coach somewhere. Like the time MB held the Hamilton job for him as he waited on NHL offers but of course none came likely because they saw the same crap I saw. Someone that was in over his head without any previous experience at that position and our GM took 6 years to figure out how bad this guy was and was so out of touch with reality and so bad at his job that he was clueless enough to actually believe this guy would have NHL jobs waiting for him.
There's shouldn't be any problem with saying Lefebvre sucked at this job, maybe he's a great assistant coach, and maybe he could be a good head coach some day but he was terrible in Hamilton and that directly impacted the job Timmins and Churla do. Just as MB rushing so many kids to the NHL when they aren't ready has an impact on the job they do.
I just don't see the point of talking for the millionth time that Leblanc or Scherbak or DLR or McCarron or whoever were handled poorly because he did this or that or whatever we have been talking about for the past 8-9 years now. Timmins is to blame he failed, Lebvre is to blame he failed, MB is to blame he failed. The coaching and development is to blame they failed, the players are to blame they failed. Timmins is NOT the best, no one person is to blame. What else is there?