Discussion in 'NHL Draft - Prospects' started by mm11, Mar 1, 2011.
who would you want now and in the future? Both are 2008 draft picks playing some decent NHL minutes
Two similar players in the defensive zone, two different players in the offensive zone.
These guys are two of my favorite young defenseman in the league. Playing a ton of minutes on terrible teams, they've been very poised, solid, and look much more experienced in regards to their play than they actually are. Schenn has been playing with Kaberle for most of the season, though(before he was traded), so he did get a little veteran help each shift. Hamonic, with the other hand, played with another somewhat inexperienced player in Andy MacDpnald, although he is a very, very good player, and is currently carrying the Isles defense with Streit out.
They both play a rugged style, as well. They're physical, can be mean, and they're willing to drop the gloves to set off a spark or protect a teammate. They can clear the crease, and then they'll deliver that big hit every few games, to let their presence be known.
It's their offensive potential that sets them apart, imo. Hamonic looks to be much better in the offensive zone, and has a much better shot, and better vision than Schenn. That's not a knock on Schenn, though, who wasn't drafted to be a threat. He's a pure shutdown defenseman who can put up probably 20-30 points in his prime due to his solid outlet pass. In terms of player comparisons, here's who I would compare these two to(note that these are what these players could become of their expected development process goes as planned):
Hamonic: Shea Weber-lite
Schenn: A meaner Robyn Regher
I'll take Schenn
Hamonic will be a stud in the future. Will he be better than Schenn? Only time will tell. But this is not a good comparison since Hamonic is a offensive Dman and Schenn a defensive Dman.
Looks like someone hasn't been paying attention to the Islanders...sigh.
Now Schenn, future Hamonic
IÂ´d go with Hamonic. Little not to like about the kid.
Schenn by far.
He should have been in the all-star game this year and is quickly becoming a great defenseman. Hamonic is good, but not as good as Schenn.
I would not be so sure, if I recall when the NYI drafted Hamonic they thought they were possibly looking at a NHL shut down d man down the road. His offensive game evolved in the last 3 seasons. Eric Cairs was the Islander scout whom from what I understand almost hand picked Hamonic and has stated on record that the Islanders loved his defensive shut down abilities and were not looking for any offense from the kid.
Schenn was almost a consensus top 5 pick in 2008, I was hoping the NYI would draft him, I had no clue who Hamonic was back then but he sure does play mean and have some offensive abilities. I am curious what the non biased homer fan thinks in this thread because this question was posed on the NYI board and its obviously off the charts in favor of Hamonic.
Schenn. only leaf haters will say otherwise. and im trying not to overrate.
How so? Hamonic has all the tools that Schenn has and more.
Schenn is better defensively (for now), but his lack of offense limits his value. He can't help on the power play and you don't want him on the ice if you are down a goal late.
Hamonic, on the other hand, can be used in every situation. To me, that makes him the more valuable player.
Comparing them is like comparing the 40 goal scorer who doesn't play defense to the 35 goal scorer who can kill penalties.
Hamonic has everything Schenn has & more.
Hamonic will be the better all around player.
ummm....ill take schenn on the ice late in a game. He is strong on the puck, confident and makes the right plays to clear the zone. Not to mention he will take almost any guy out of the play , when fighting in the corners....
you're A. Blind. B. Leaf Hater. C. Isles homer ; if you are saying he is better now.....The future can change everything though, i cant touch that one.
I take Hamonic too, but don't make things up.
Leaf fans will say Schenn. Other fans will likely say Hamonic.
Both will be studs, though.
Schenn. He is an absolute stud.
I agree with the fact Hamonic will be a more rounded player but Schenn was picked as a pure defensive defensemen with elite shutdown potential and so far, I have no reason to think he won't reach that.
Both are good players, Leafs just need a guy like Schenn more because of the mediocrity defense they've had and they need an elite shutdown defensemen that is physical as hell, blocks shots, is a leader and his offense is progressing. He won't be a great offensive player or anything but could be a 30 point defensemen with elite defense so I would be very happy with that.
I'd take Schenn.
Actually, I don't know if Hamonic is comparable to Schenn defensively, I don't think he's a defensive stud but his d partner Andrew "the best contract in hockey" MacDonald is a defensive stud.
Hamonic > Schenn offensively but I wonder what it would be like if Schenn played under a different coach who allowed for the dmen to be more offensively active? I've seen good flashes of offense from Schenn. Also for the future, you have to wonder if a de Haan or a draft pick like Murphy or Larsson might be higher in the offensive order in terms of PP time than Hamonic if the Isles do draft another dman, obviously Streit will return too.
I just don't see the hype around Travis Hamonic. I've seen him play 20 or so times and I'm just not all that impressed.
Luke Schenn looks like a decent player but he has a little Dion Phaneuf in him. Going for the monster hit instead of the correct defensive play. I have seen him go way out of him way to "erase" someone. Going for the big hit ends up in an odd-man rush.
He needs to stop doing this and learn correct positioning, playing a little more conservative, make the smart play not the highlight hit.
Hamonic is a good one though, I could see him becoming a better player than Schenn in the long run.
Both are good players.
Hamonic obviously is much better with the puck (although Schenn has improved dramatically this season), Schenn at this point is better defensively.
Both are the same age pretty much and still have lots of room to improve, it just seems like Schenn is a veteran because he has been in the league since he was 18.
Some interesting Schenn statistics this year:
1st overall in hits by a defenseman (next guy is Seabrook and he has about 20 less hits in the same amount of games)
10th overall in blocked shots in the league.
Tied for second in giveaways. Don't know how much bearing you put into that stat when guys like Keith, Seabrook, and Burns are all top ten as well.
that should come with age hopefully, Orpik didn't really get that part of the game till his mid 20s.
Schenn is leading the league in hits for a dman 193 hits, 135 blocked shots.
Try giving credit where credit is due.
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