thepuckmonster
Professional Winner.
Being a Canucks fan is exhausting at times. I certainly don't hope for Green to fail but honestly I see this as being a painfully mediocre hiring which is somewhat worse than just doing stupid things.
This thread has become a bit of a cesspool, I'm afraid.
Trevor Linden telling a story about Benning really being keen on Green does not equal Linden throwing Benning "under the bus."
Linden tacitly acknowledging that his refusal to say the word "rebuild" has become an issue is not evidence of extreme condescension on his part. It has become an issue, so he's acknowledging it. Simple as that.
Green getting four years is not evidence of management incompetence (there are other real examples of that). Four years is a completely standard term and any less would compromise Green's ability to develop the youth. It makes perfect sense.
I'm all for criticizing these bozos when it's due, but slipping the chain and going mad dog on every small utterance, anecdote, or simple run-of-the-mill decision is silly. There are a few people here looking to use any ammunition to confirm their pre-existing biases, I believe, and in the process are getting a warped picture of what is actually going on here.
There are a few people here looking to use any ammunition to confirm their pre-existing biases, I believe, and in the process are getting a warped picture of what is actually going on here.
Agreed about your 2nd and 3rd points, but not your first. That was a very odd thing to say and not unlike some of the quotes Linden was dropping about Willie Desjardins in the last few months of the season. Beyond that this management group has telegraphed everything they've done from a mile away and it's worth considering.
By the way - what was the term on Benning's initial contract? If it was 4 years...has he been extended? Or is he in a lame-duck situation?
Standard consequences of an echo chamber. Pointing it out won't change anything though.
Turns out Travis Green is something of a poker superstar in his free time? http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ts-hiring-travis-green-right-call-vancouver/
$345K in career earnings is nothing to sneeze at. Luongo, I believe, is around the $25K mark.
For me, this is a huge plus. A lot of smart sports analytics guys got their start in poker. Sunny Mehta, the Devils director of analytics (and one of the very first hockey analytics bloggers) was a professional poker player first. Nate Silver too. There are other examples.
If only he could teach benning how to play poker with other gms rather than showing everyone his cards.
This thread has become a bit of a cesspool, I'm afraid.
Trevor Linden telling a story about Benning really being keen on Green does not equal Linden throwing Benning "under the bus."
Linden tacitly acknowledging that his refusal to say the word "rebuild" has become an issue is not evidence of extreme condescension on his part. It has become an issue, so he's acknowledging it. Simple as that.
Green getting four years is not evidence of management incompetence (there are other real examples of that). Four years is a completely standard term and any less would compromise Green's ability to develop the youth. It makes perfect sense.
I'm all for criticizing these bozos when it's due, but slipping the chain and going mad dog on every small utterance, anecdote, or simple run-of-the-mill decision is silly. There are a few people here looking to use any ammunition to confirm their pre-existing biases, I believe, and in the process are getting a warped picture of what is actually going on here.
Turns out Travis Green is something of a poker superstar in his free time? http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ts-hiring-travis-green-right-call-vancouver/
$345K in career earnings is nothing to sneeze at. Luongo, I believe, is around the $25K mark.
For me, this is a huge plus. A lot of smart sports analytics guys got their start in poker. Sunny Mehta, the Devils director of analytics (and one of the very first hockey analytics bloggers) was a professional poker player first. Nate Silver too. There are other examples.
There are a few people here looking to use any ammunition to confirm their pre-existing biases, I believe, and in the process are getting a warped picture of what is actually going on here.
Turns out Travis Green is something of a poker superstar in his free time? http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ts-hiring-travis-green-right-call-vancouver/
$345K in career earnings is nothing to sneeze at. Luongo, I believe, is around the $25K mark.
For me, this is a huge plus. A lot of smart sports analytics guys got their start in poker. Sunny Mehta, the Devils director of analytics (and one of the very first hockey analytics bloggers) was a professional poker player first. Nate Silver too. There are other examples.
Turns out Travis Green is something of a poker superstar in his free time? http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ts-hiring-travis-green-right-call-vancouver/
$345K in career earnings is nothing to sneeze at. Luongo, I believe, is around the $25K mark.
For me, this is a huge plus. A lot of smart sports analytics guys got their start in poker. Sunny Mehta, the Devils director of analytics (and one of the very first hockey analytics bloggers) was a professional poker player first. Nate Silver too. There are other examples.
I don't think he's in danger of that, personally. He's revealed himself to have less integrity/backbone than we originally thought, but even at his worst, he's not a complete ill-intention-ed, egotistical ****-hole like Messier is.So controversial statement here, well more of a question I think.
At what point does Trevor Linden become more hated then Mark Messier? I mean Trevor has 94, and being captain here, but Mark killed this team and was a leach for 3 years, and Trevor is now at the same point. How much farther does his good will go?
I know the casuals may never turn, but the fans who are screaming every time he steps up to the mic, how much longer do you let him go?
Poll results as of right now:
Yes - 40%
No - 10%
On the fence 50% (!)
Select few posters - "omg there is so much negativity, give Travis a chance" Those 10% must be posting a lot.
Seems like the thread has become as much about Benning and Linden as about Green. Anyway, yes, people can post whatever they like, Mr. Toxic.
Every coach, to some extent, has favorites and players that that are always in their dog house.
- Willie Desjardins had an absolute chubby for high motor, hard working, low skill forwards like Derrick Dorsett and Jayson Megna, but misused players like Vrbata. He benched Goldobin after scoring in his first game and refused to play Boucher until he had no options left. Willie also didn't trust Lack so Benning traded him, then rode Miller over Markstrom right to the bitter end.
- Alain Vigneault also loved his grinders (Rome, Glass, etc.) but not to the extent that he put them on the Sedin line or out on the ice when trailing in the last minute of play (although there was the period in 2007-08 where he had Byron Ritchie regularly on the PP).
- Tortorella rode the hell out of Kesler and the Sedins, but somehow couldn't find a role for Hansen or Weisse. He also played Lack over Luongo in the Herritage Classic.
I wonder who Green's favourites and dog house candidates are?
I'm going to guess that Gaunce gets more of a shot and after Goldobin came down to Utica and lit up the scoreboard in the late season push, he probably gets a bit more of a chance. I wonder what this means for Jordan Subban. With the loss of Tryamkin and likely Sbisa (expansion) there will likely be a spot up for grabs on the blue line. He knows Baertschi from Portland and Sven had a similar impact to Goldy in his brief appearance in Utica.
Doghouse candidates? It's hard to guess because we don't yet know what Green wants out of each player.
So controversial statement here, well more of a question I think.
At what point does Trevor Linden become more hated then Mark Messier? I mean Trevor has 94, and being captain here, but Mark killed this team and was a leach for 3 years, and Trevor is now at the same point. How much farther does his good will go?
I know the casuals may never turn, but the fans who are screaming every time he steps up to the mic, how much longer do you let him go?
Not wanting to throw the previous guy under the bus, but Green said more in one presser and was more direct and clear about what he expects, than three years of Willie combined.
Of course players will end up in Green's doghouse....happens to every team....but Green's track record in Utica is that the guy would sit out one game, then be right back at it the next night.....this contrasts with Willie...once a guy ended up in the doghouse it was on to the pressbox for an extended stay, and only an injury would ever liberate him.
comparing him to messier is a ridiculous insult
Comparing *ANY* former/current Canuck player to Messier is an insult.
That said, I no longer think Linden can walk on water or turn water into wine....
He might still be able to score you a game-seven goal, though.