GDT: Traverse City Tournament: Detroit Red Winglets vs Minnesota Slightly Wooded Suburbs

[A Few Good Males]

McIsaac can realy skate males

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

God, I hate when people say **** like that. We didn’t draft Zadina for his defense, this is an explosive, offensively prolific winger, do not hamper his strengths, to try and make him something he isn’t. It’s like when people tried to get Ovechkin to play more defense, dumb dumb dumb.

The Redwings will make Zadina play a complete game, the fact your saying it’s dumb to be fully engaged and play defensive shows you have no idea what it takes for a team to win. Last playoffs Ovechkin bought in and look what happened.

I am not saying Zadina is not a strong defensive player. He competes hard.
I’m saying I don’t think it’s a lock he makes the team. After watching the game and hearing the rumble there is a good chance he is AHL bound to start the year.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Only watched first 2 periods but Wings dominated and just couldn't get much going on the PP. That happens when it's the first "real" game after summer for a bunch of kids thrown together.

Zadina will be a hard decision I think. Elements of his game are high-end and he could probably do some real damage on an NHL PP. At times he looks a little lost defensively, he loses quite a few physical battles and could probably do with a little more explosiveness in his skating which will come with more strength. Look forward to seeing if he can adapt quickly when the pace and competition gets higher in pre-season.

Rasmussen doesn't dazzle but looks ready for pro hockey.

Givani Smith is a real solid player. Holmstrom, as he should, looked much more advanced and polished than most kids out there.

Cholowski and Saarijarvi both looked really good on D.

Love your report. Cholo looks like he has potential to be a 25 min stud.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

The Redwings will make Zadina play a complete game, the fact your saying it’s dumb to be fully engaged and play defensive shows you have no idea what it takes for a team to win. Last playoffs Ovechkin bought in and look what happened.

I am not saying Zadina is not a strong defensive player. He competes hard.
I’m saying I don’t think it’s a lock he makes the team. After watching the game and hearing the rumble there is a good chance he is AHL bound to start the year.

That's literally NOT what happened. As soon as they got Ovie away from Dale Hunter and Adam Oates is when the Capitals and Ovie re-emerged as a power house. Lmao, c'mon dude. Let your wingers play to their strengths.

 

[JoesuffP]

Wings looked really good in the second period especially Zadina. He looked Datsyuk-Esque for a stretch where every time he touched the puck it was creating chances. Even coming out of his own zone he makes little high skilled plays that get the puck out quickly. In the third I thought the Greenway line kind of took over the game and Zadina’s line had a harder time. Zone entries on the PP were bad

 

[TheMule93]

For the third period the lines switched too. Rasmussen was moved to wing (dropping Smith down a line) and Veleno came up to be the 1C. Zadina stayed put.

 

[Henkka]

Hopefully Rasmussen will start at wing and play net front tonight. He is not going to generate the offense playing center.

Or you will put him to play with creative wingers. I think that line with Givani Smith is a bad combination. Put Rasmussen between guys like Berggren and Zadina and everything changes. Berggren is not in the tournament but even David Pope would help.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

That's literally NOT what happened. As soon as they got Ovie away from Dale Hunter and Adam Oates is when the Capitals and Ovie re-emerged as a power house. Lmao, c'mon dude. Let your wingers play to their strengths.

Ovechkin was always better than the Canadian media was saying, but yes he played under Trotz at a much higher level in all three zones.

We have a winger that just wants to play to his strengths and what he wants to do already. His name is Athanasiou and it makes my brain want to implode into my neck at times when I watch him. Zadina should be able to score but him getting hemmed in his own end a whole bunch isn't going to help him score or the team. He is going to develop that side of his game, but no I don't globally endorse just playing however you feel. He can score, but if he wants to have a productive NHL career he better be more otherwise he might be best compared to Jeff Skinner without more development. We want that Hossa comparison or something of that nature.

Zadina isn't going to be the greatest goal scorer in league history who wasn't one dimensional at all for those espousing that either. But yes it is important to evolve defensively and in other areas like being a lot stronger on the puck which is really why I think he will start in the AHL. He has to get used to men challenging him and I would rather he do it where the stakes are lower. McIlrath should protect him from funny business too so I actually sort of prefer him starting in the AHL. But I will wait and see if he shows in camp that he should be up. Even the prospect camp isn't great for true evaluation here in my opinion. But we will see, but these guys should always be working at getting better, I disagree with if you do one thing really well that is enough and just do that.

 

[Henkka]

Jordan Sambrook just scored for the CBJ... is he their try-out invite?

 

[Tirekicker]

For a scorer of his caliber, Zadina plays a surprisingly respectable two-way game. I base this on my own in-person viewings and other people's assessments...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=111432&tab=scr

High-end skilled forward with excellent playmaking ability. He has very good vision, excellent anticipation and exceptional natural instincts. Possesses strong puck skills, a quick, accurate release, and looks to shoot. He is committed to playing a two-way game.

NHL Draft prospect rankings: Rasmus Dahlin or Andrei Svechnikov? It's 1A vs. 1B atop 2018 class

This Czech sniper consistently has been the best player for his teams in both league and international play. Zadina is a complete player who is a danger to score no matter the situation.

Filip Zadina Scouting Report: 2018 NHL Draft #4 - Last Word on Hockey

Zadina’s works hard in the defensive end and has even been used on the Mooseheads penalty kills. He plays high and cuts off the points cutting off passes to the blue line, and getting in shooting lanes when defenders do have the puck. His positioning and footwork can be further refined, but it is already at a decent level given his age.

NHL Mock Draft 2018: No.3 — Filip Zadina

Zadina is an elite goal-scoring prospect and couples that with great playmaking abilities and a strong two-way game. Some scoring prospects that come out of the draft need time to polish their defensive game, but Zadina is already reliable in his own-zone.

Point being: I'm not worried. I'm not worried about Zadina possibly becoming a one-dimensional specialist, nor am I worried about the Wings possibly ruining him by preaching accountability on the defensive side of the puck. There's a reason why he was widely considered one of the top three players in his draft class for most of his draft year. There's a reason why many people name Hossa -- known for being an unusually complete winger -- as an NHL comparable/projection. There's a reason why the Wings are so high on him. He has some learning and growing to do, in more ways than one, but that's true of any and every young hockey player, including the McDavids and Dahlins.

IMO, all that really matters right now is this: Zadina has the tools and internal drive needed to become a very good NHLer. It would be hard for the Wings to screw up his development.

 

[Frk It]

I liked the 3 guys who played in the Q last year. Veleno is going to help a lot with zone entries, which we have struggled with a bit since Datsyuk left. McIsaac and Cholowski were very solid... hopefully they make the team sooner than later and push Dekeyser down the depth chart.

Zadina was Zadina... he’s an electric offensive player. Not worried about his defensive game because I think he is competitive, it will come with time.

 

[lilidk]

what is line up?
I dont see Gogolev

 

[tfong]

For a scorer of his caliber, Zadina plays a surprisingly respectable two-way game. I base this on my own in-person viewings and other people's assessments...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=111432&tab=scr

High-end skilled forward with excellent playmaking ability. He has very good vision, excellent anticipation and exceptional natural instincts. Possesses strong puck skills, a quick, accurate release, and looks to shoot. He is committed to playing a two-way game.

NHL Draft prospect rankings: Rasmus Dahlin or Andrei Svechnikov? It's 1A vs. 1B atop 2018 class

This Czech sniper consistently has been the best player for his teams in both league and international play. Zadina is a complete player who is a danger to score no matter the situation.

Filip Zadina Scouting Report: 2018 NHL Draft #4 - Last Word on Hockey

Zadina’s works hard in the defensive end and has even been used on the Mooseheads penalty kills. He plays high and cuts off the points cutting off passes to the blue line, and getting in shooting lanes when defenders do have the puck. His positioning and footwork can be further refined, but it is already at a decent level given his age.

NHL Mock Draft 2018: No.3 — Filip Zadina

Zadina is an elite goal-scoring prospect and couples that with great playmaking abilities and a strong two-way game. Some scoring prospects that come out of the draft need time to polish their defensive game, but Zadina is already reliable in his own-zone.

Point being: I'm not worried. I'm not worried about Zadina possibly becoming a one-dimensional specialist, nor am I worried about the Wings possibly ruining him by preaching accountability on the defensive side of the puck. There's a reason why he was widely considered one of the top three players in his draft class for most of his draft year. There's a reason why many people name Hossa -- known for being an unusually complete winger -- as an NHL comparable/projection. There's a reason why the Wings are so high on him. He has some learning and growing to do, in more ways than one, but that's true of any and every young hockey player, including the McDavids and Dahlins.

IMO, all that really matters right now is this: Zadina has the tools and internal drive needed to become a very good NHLer. It would be hard for the Wings to screw up his development.

The overbearing "can't skate" motto overshadowed the fact that he does try in all zones. Its been awhile but I mentioned a while back that he could be Hossa type player.

 

[Henkka]

[PR spin]

Cholowski has 1+3 in 2 games. Guy has been points on 4 of Red Wings 5 total goals.

[/PR spin]

 

[Henkka]

Or you will put him to play with creative wingers. I think that line with Givani Smith is a bad combination. Put Rasmussen between guys like Berggren and Zadina and everything changes. Berggren is not in the tournament but even David Pope would help.

2nd game, Veleno comes in the middle with Rasmussen and Zadina.

Rasmussen scores 2+1.

 

[lilidk]

Other than Zadina and maybe big Mike didn't see much from forwards. They dominated game and didn't really won it . To bad Gogolev didn't play

 

[Henkka]

Collected my own Scoring chance data from the 2nd game.

Detroit - Dallas 3-1

EDIT:

Wrong thread.

Finally did found a link for the Wild game full replay too. Gonna collect those scoring chance data also from there later today.

 

[Henkka]

My own Scoring chance data from the 1st game.

Detroit - Minnesota 2-4

Scoring chances:
0 -10min, 4-4
10-20min, 4-6
20-30min, 13-6
30-40min, 6-3
40-50min, 4-6
50-60min, 3-11
Total: 34-36

High-Danger chances: 5-11
Medium-Danger chances: 12-10
Low-Danger chances: 17-15

Player, (Scoring chances) + (Assisted Chances) + Other good play (screen, takeaway etc.)
#48 LW Givani Smith (3+3+2+1+2) + (zero) + 2 (screen, takeaway) = 13
#27 C Michael Rasmussen (3+2) + (2+1+1) + 3 (screens) = 12
#11 RW Filip Zadina (2+1+2G+2+1) + (2+2+3+1A+2) + 1 (drawn penalty) = 19
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#49 LW Axel Holmström (3+1) + (zero) + (zero) = 4
#90 C Joe Veleno (1+3) + (1A+2+3+1+1A) + 3 (screen, 2 takeaways) = 15
#58 RW David Pope (2+1) + (zero) + 2 (takeaway, drawn penalty) = 5
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#53 LW Jordan Topping (2) + (zero) + 2 (good PK play, big hit) = 4
#70 C Christopher Ehn (zero) + (zero) + 2 (screen and good play on PK) = 2
#89 RW Pavel Gogolev, (zero) + (zero) + 4 (4 x drawn penalty) = 4
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#67 LW Brady Gilmour (1+2+1) + (1) + 0 = 5
#64 C Zach Gallant, (2+2+1) + (zero) + 0 = 5
#92 RW Maxim Golod, (zero) + (2+2+3+1) + 0 = 8

3 = High-Danger chance/assist
2 = Medium-Danger chance/assist
1 = Low-danger chance/assist

Conclusions:
- Top line was mostly all Zadina, Rasmussen worse at center. Givani can't create anything for his linemates, so that move to put Veleno in the middle on the 2nd game looks good. They made that swap already on this game's 3rd period.
- Axel Holmström and Pope, both disappointments. On that age you should dominate kids like 25-year old Wild-guy Fitzgerald did to our kids.
- Gogolev had a weird game. Did draw 4 penalties and I had to replay these many times to secure that it was really him always. Could have had chances, but some of those penalties predicted a chance. I don't remember I've ever had data, where same player draws 4 penalties on 1 game.
- Gallant and Gilmour were together on this game, Gilmour at wing and Gallant at center. They were our main penalty killers.
- This Maxim Golod surprised me most. Very fast skater and a creative player, did fly over the neutral zone and many good passes on the dangerous sector.

Defence, Player, (Scoring chances) + (Assisted Chances) + Other good play (screen, takeaway etc.) + Zone exits (+plus - minus)
#21 LD Dennis Cholowski (1+1) + (1+2A+3+3+1) + 0 + (Exits +4 -1) = 15
#29 RD Vili Saarijärvi, (zero) + (1) + 2 (block, good steal) + (exits +1 -0) = 4
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#63 LD Jared McIsaac, (1+1+1G+2) + (2) + 1 (block) + (exits +1 -1) = 8
#74 RD Cole Fraser, (zero) + (zero) + 1 (drawn penalty) + (exits +0 -1) = 0
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#94 RD Alec Regula, (zero) + (zero) + 0 + (exits +2 -1) = 1
#62 RD Trevor Hamilton (1+2) + (zero) + 2 (block, hit) + (exits +1 -0) = 6

- Cholowski was the clearly THE best also on this game.
- McIsaac scored, but also made a cardinal mistake, which did lead to Wild goal. Fraser was horrible with him, and that didn't definitely help.
- Something is wrong with Saarijärvi. Skates well and is not lost on own end, but can't make plays. His offense seems to be totally disappeared.
- Trevor Hamilton was better on this game, but struggled with Cholowski on the second.
- Alec Regula had also a cardinal mistake, which did lead to Wild goal, but was better later on the game. Definitely better righty on the left side, than Marcus Crawford.

Thought from earlier reports that Rybar was bad on net, but seeing that Wild PP high-danger shot show, I think he played well and kept the numbers low. Wings could have lost more goals, Wild definitely deserved the win, they were so much better on the 3rd period.

That 25-year old Gerry Fitzgerald and Dmitri Sokolov really stood out from Wild side.