GDT: Traverse City Prospects Tournament

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The Canes have had some good looks but can't get anything going. It's a track race out there on both sides, but the Jackets seem to be playing better in their own zone (which isn't saying a whole lot). Several missed shots, post hits, etc. I think Helvig could be an option for us eventually.
 

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It’s hard to take much away from a game where everyone’s running around playing unstructured hockey. This was a very different game from the previous two, and my impression is that it was dictated largely by the Jackets approach of looking for “gotcha” hits and using all-out forechecking pressure that you would never see in a pro game. A fight, penalties all over the place, guys getting their legs swept out and crashing into the end boards. The Canes top line noticeably reduced their ice time in the third period when the risk of injury became intolerable. Now the game is a bunch of grinders pressuring camp invitees into sloppy mistakes. It’s a weird thing to see a game like that in a summer rookie tournament, and tbh something I’d probably not be too happy about if I were a GM sending my top prospects to this thing.

I did like Bean’s game a little more tonight. He had an absolute ****ton of time with the puck and mostly made good crisp decisions. He’s got a deceptive little 3/4th slapshot that visibly whips his stick and causes an odd off-speed shot. Also, he’s going to get absolutely obliterated one of these days trying to back-step an NHL forechecker. Hammered into next week, possibly dead.

It’s been a while since I’ve been enthusiastic about one of our goalie prospects, but Helvig showed very well in this tournament. His lateral movement and play-reading are fantastic. I only recall one goal beating him cleanly in these three games, and that was a beautiful snipe. He’s definitely going to have to develop his puckhandling, because it’s pretty bad and will be exploited, but generally he seems like he has the potential to come into camp and show us something. Maybe a couple of years out, but he’s promising.

Other notes: Saarela shot a lot in the first period, like a guy who’s aware he’s being passed on the depth chart. Kuokkanen continues to not impress. Geekie/Matteos/Henman were generic roster filler, this being a missed chance to make their mark before the tourney ends. Roy and Gauthier were present but not very effective. Fora got walked a couple of times which is unsettling. Svechnikov continues a very uneven level of play, and it’s getting harder to tell if he just doesn’t want to turn it all the way on yet. Necas also had his ups and downs. None of the invitees have made an impression on me at all.
 

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I'm not even a huge fan of making judgments from a tournament like the WJC, but that said I value WJC performance like 10x more than Traverse City or any similar tournament. At least during the WJC, players are in game shape and have been playing hockey for months. These games are the definition of a nothingburger. Nothing more than to allow some of the prospects to get into game shape and develop some chemistry, that's about it.
 

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Columbus had the game plan to constantly attack every single player physically as eventually one of those pushes will find a weak link and break.

That’s a really effective strategy when playing against a bunch of young guys with no chemistry and whom half might never see the outside of a Junior leagues. If you are in a fistfight with someone it is also a really effective strategy to attack your opponents eyes and groin. An effective move can be a dick move too given the setting. For me Columbus’s entire strategy was too aggressive.
 

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Luckily this tournament doesn’t mean anything and won’t have any bearing on the bigger names. Camp is where it matters. I wasn’t blown away by anyone. Bean had the most polish of any high end guy, pretty consistently played his game but that’s mostly on the pp.

Necas got worse, Svech was really picking his spots and didn’t look like he pushed himself much. We’ll see in camp.
 
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From pronman here: Pronman: Standout performances at NHL rookie camps

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Jake Bean, D
Bean didn’t look Green here (sorry, not sorry), in his third rookie tournament. He was Carolina’s best puck-mover and logged big minutes for them especially when they needed offense. His vision is great and he showed the ability to move the puck up the ice with his rushes and passes. Scouts remain skeptical about his defense, but with the puck he can make plays.

Julien Gauthier, RW
Gauthier had a rough go in his first pro season, but against younger players he looked like a player who could make an impact. Few players in the prospect world combine his size, speed and skill. His hockey IQ remains a minor question, but he showed decent instincts at this event and made some plays. Hopefully he can build on this going into next season.

Stelio Mattheos, RW
Mattheos is never going to dominate, but he had a lot of moments that were impressive. His hockey sense is above-average, he made a lot of good passes and creative plays. He has some speed in his game, and he works hard too. He brings a lot of versatility to a lineup.
 

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Columbus had the game plan to constantly attack every single player physically as eventually one of those pushes will find a weak link and break.

That’s a really effective strategy when playing against a bunch of young guys with no chemistry and whom half might never see the outside of a Junior leagues. If you are in a fistfight with someone it is also a really effective strategy to attack your opponents eyes and groin. An effective move can be a dick move too given the setting. For me Columbus’s entire strategy was too aggressive.

A couple of hours ago, Ken Campbell (who I generally despise) released a THN article with an interesting take on this subject.

Apparently these games are not actually held under the purview of the NHL, but by outside organizers. The organizations participate in them voluntarily. Meaning the NHL can’t levy discipline on anything that happens during these games.

What that means is, you’ve got a bunch of guys who aren’t property of any NHL team, running around in an environment where there’s no NHL oversight. Let’s say someone crosschecks Necas in the face and shatters his jaw. The ONLY accountability for that action will happen over the course of the rest of that game. Imagine where that situation can go. Apparently Montreal’s minor league coach has openly declared that from now on, it’s open season on anyone who tries to rough up his players.

That kind of dynamic can’t be allowed to stand. It’s only a matter of time before it puts a black eye on the league. My guess is that by next season there will be at least one official tournament, whether it’s a new one run by the league or simply as a contract with one of the already-existing organizations.
 

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A couple of hours ago, Ken Campbell (who I generally despise) released a THN article with an interesting take on this subject.

Apparently these games are not actually held under the purview of the NHL, but by outside organizers. The organizations participate in them voluntarily. Meaning the NHL can’t levy discipline on anything that happens during these games.

What that means is, you’ve got a bunch of guys who aren’t property of any NHL team, running around in an environment where there’s no NHL oversight. Let’s say someone crosschecks Necas in the face and shatters his jaw. The ONLY accountability for that action will happen over the course of the rest of that game. Imagine where that situation can go. Apparently Montreal’s minor league coach has openly declared that from now on, it’s open season on anyone who tries to rough up his players.

That kind of dynamic can’t be allowed to stand. It’s only a matter of time before it puts a black eye on the league. My guess is that by next season there will be at least one official tournament, whether it’s a new one run by the league or simply as a contract with one of the already-existing organizations.

I had no idea about any of this. Now I'm mad they even played in it.
 

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I had no idea about any of this. Now I'm mad they even played in it.

I’m kind of shocked that it’s been allowed to get to this point TBH. Fighting is one thing, but seeing guys get stretchered off and coaches calling for vengeance is WWE-level nuts. There’s absolutely not enough upside to this experience to be worth getting targeted by some scrub.

It reminds me a little bit of when we did that KHL exhibition a few years ago and Paul Maurice was like “**** this, you get 30 minutes of Patrick Dwyer” after they started running at Staal.
 

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I remember watching a prospect game in Hartford against the Devils. The Devils were in their greens so it was at least 26 years ago.

This has just kind of always been how it goes. I can see the NHL certainly looking into doing something to curb this kind of stuff though.
 

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I’m kind of shocked that it’s been allowed to get to this point TBH. Fighting is one thing, but seeing guys get stretchered off and coaches calling for vengeance is WWE-level nuts. There’s absolutely not enough upside to this experience to be worth getting targeted by some scrub.

It reminds me a little bit of when we did that KHL exhibition a few years ago and Paul Maurice was like “**** this, you get 30 minutes of Patrick Dwyer” after they started running at Staal.

I remember how "embarrassed" posters here were for us that we couldn't beat a KHL team. Yet the idiots couldn't figure out that the KHL team was playing dirty and Maurice was simply trying to milk the clock.
 

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I remember watching a prospect game in Hartford against the Devils. The Devils were in their greens so it was at least 26 years ago.

This has just kind of always been how it goes. I can see the NHL certainly looking into doing something to curb this kind of stuff though.
I think the only thing that CAN be done is the NHL itself setting up these types of tournaments on their own and running them of their own accord. Otherwise you're going to have situations like Columbus this year where instead of legitimately trying to beat the teams on the ice they just try to beat them physically outside the bounds of fair play in order to have a better shot at beating them on the ice. Not that you still won't have that BS going on even when the NHL is running things, I mean f*** Tom Wilson and others like him still have NHL contracts, but it will control things a good bit.

But as things stand there's nothing to stop this, and there won't be until a body that actually can impose fines on teams for this level of BS takes control of things instead of leaving it up to Detroit or Buffalo or whoever else to run things.
 
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