Trades and Free Agent Talk - To trade or not to trade...

[SeaOfBlue]

I'd like to see a soft trade

Petan, Schmalz, Marincin to Dallas for Martin Hanzal (LTIR), Rights to Julius Honka, Jason Robertson.

Dallas has $815 worth of cap space right now with a 20 man roster, and get 3 players they can plug into the lineup right now. Dallas can't afford to use the LTIR room for Hanzal as they have Heiskanen racking up ELC bonuses. It gives them breathing room the rest of the season.

For the Leafs, another $4,75 million to LTIR is nothing, and they get the rights to a potential top 4 RD next year, along with a solid LW prospect with waiver eligibility for taking on the LTIR. This is basically buying futures. And reuniting the Robertson brothers.

Honka is not a potential top 4 defenseman anymore. He's hardly even a potential top 6 defenseman at this point. I doubt Dallas is going to give up Robertson to dump Hanzal.

 

[Kiwi]

I'd have Stecher with Dermott taking away minutes from Barrie and Ceci. Neither should be playing 22 minutes a night right now.

Holl is playing really well and if he's playing with somebody of Dermott's quality you may find they could do the same job

 

[hector morrison]

Last nites game should calm any Kappy trades...if he goes it better be for a bruiser of a Dman or a part of a package for a real power forward. His value is way higher than most Leaf fans on here think!

 

[hector morrison]

Holl is playing really well and if he's playing with somebody of Dermott's quality you may find they could do the same job

Holl did Ok last nite...I think he just needs to go around the block once to get a sense of what he can/can't do.

 

[Stephen]

I'm wondering if moving one of the Big 4 will be the ultimate Clark for Sundin trade for us at some point down the road over the next 12-24 months. This time we will be on the Quebec side of things where we trade a young scoring star for help to round out the team (Marner) and go after UFA defensemen with the money saved:

Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-J. Anderson
Kapanen-Kerfoot-Moore
Timashov-Gauthier-Korshkov

Rielly-Pietrangelo
Werenski-Ceci
Dermott-Tanev

Andersen
Georgiev

 

[Mickey Marner]

Winnipeg picked up Sbisa. Clearly we should trade them Ceci when one of Dermott/Hyman return. Otherwise, I think Kapanen or Johnsson are the odd one out. Could've just not signed Ceci and kept Marner at <10.55, but what do I know.

 

[Kiwi]

Holl did Ok last nite...I think he just needs to go around the block once to get a sense of what he can/can't do.

He's getting better with consistent game time

He's gone from fringe NHL player to best bottom pair option in the organization behind Sandin and Dermott in 10 games

He's the least of our problems

 

[BertCorbeau]

Yeah Holl’s been fine. Didn’t think he got a fair shake last year with sporadic ice time but he’s looked better than I thought he would as a regular

 

[aingefan]

He's getting better with consistent game time

He's gone from fringe NHL player to best bottom pair option in the organization behind Sandin and Dermott in 10 games

He's the least of our problems

Agreed. Not perfect, but perfectly fine as a placeholder.
It’s almost like Babs and Dubas haggled out the 3rd pair.
They each got to pick one: Dubas, Holl; Babs, Marincin.

 

[hector morrison]

He's getting better with consistent game time

He's gone from fringe NHL player to best bottom pair option in the organization behind Sandin and Dermott in 10 games

He's the least of our problems

Lou Lam told him he reminded him of Rafalski,in the sense that he was a late bloomer...likely just encouraging words. Not sure Babs saw it that way,but yeah ,maybe confidence building is a real thing!

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Our defense will look way different by the trade deadline. I would only do this if Babcock is gone because Keefe will actually play the kids.

Keep Ceci until Hyman and JT are back and you can sign Dermott to an extension, play Dermott on the third pair to get up to speed again, then trade him and Holl and bring up Sandin-Liljegren.

Rielly-Dermott
Muzzin-Barrie
Sandin-Liljegren
Marincin

-Throw this out there for 30-35 games and if the kids can't handle then you can always find some kind of upgrade at the deadline.

*This is all contingent on Dermott looking like he can make the jump to a top 4 spot this year.

 

[Rielly4]

Holl looks solid. Hes a good skater with size who is a pretty decent puck mover with a strong defensive stick. He can PK too which is huge and shoots right.

I think he may be a permanent option.

 

[Gabriel426]

Holl is playing really well and if he's playing with somebody of Dermott's quality you may find they could do the same job

Holl is surprising me with his skating and if he can play more physical, he will be a good bottom pair Dmen.

 

[Gabriel426]

Last nites game should calm any Kappy trades...if he goes it better be for a bruiser of a Dman or a part of a package for a real power forward. His value is way higher than most Leaf fans on here think!

Been saying it all along, AJ will be the one who gets traded before Kap as Kap is a very effective PKer and his speed is special. AJ is pretty much a dime in the dozen mid 6 wingers who can score and that’s it. Trade AJ for someone who is physical winger or Dman.

 

[Kevs Security]

Who exactly are these big egos in Toronto locker room? Matthews? For all I know Freddy, Goat, Johnny, AJ, Rielly, Dermott, etc are humble boys.

 

[Gabriel426]

I'm wondering if moving one of the Big 4 will be the ultimate Clark for Sundin trade for us at some point down the road over the next 12-24 months. This time we will be on the Quebec side of things where we trade a young scoring star for help to round out the team (Marner) and go after UFA defensemen with the money saved:

Johnsson-Matthews-Nylander
Hyman-Tavares-J. Anderson
Kapanen-Kerfoot-Moore
Timashov-Gauthier-Korshkov

Rielly-Pietrangelo
Werenski-Ceci
Dermott-Tanev

Andersen
Georgiev

I was saying on another thread that one of the big four-leadership wise, JT,AM,MM and Reilly will be traded for vet help if the team continue to under perform. Was saying it will be Marner for Kopitar due to having very similar contract in terms of money and length. Leafs will be better for 2-3 yrs(hopefully Cup Win) while Marner will light it up in LA. Win-win for both teams. The trade AJ and Ceci for a better Dman.
Hyman-Matthews-Willie
Moore-JT-Kopitar
Soup-Kerfoot-Kap
Tima-Goat-Shore

Reilly-Dumba or someone like him
Muzzin-Barrie
Dermott-Holl

that’s a pretty good lineup.

 

[ER89]

I was saying on another thread that one of the big four-leadership wise, JT,AM,MM and Reilly will be traded for vet help if the team continue to under perform. Was saying it will be Marner for Kopitar due to having very similar contract in terms of money and length. Leafs will be better for 2-3 yrs(hopefully Cup Win) while Marner will light it up in LA. Win-win for both teams. The trade AJ and Ceci for a better Dman.
Hyman-Matthews-Willie
Moore-JT-Kopitar
Soup-Kerfoot-Kap
Tima-Goat-Shore

Reilly-Dumba or someone like him
Muzzin-Barrie
Dermott-Holl

that’s a pretty good lineup.

Wtf im no mitch fan but hell no to that trade.

 

[ACC1224]

Wtf im no mitch fan but hell no to that trade.

yeah that's not going to happen.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

The Leafs have never and will never have a core with as good an opportunity to win than this one. It's time to make tough decisions to give them the best opportunity to win.

FIRST - Fire Babcock

• Im sorry, but he's done here. The team doesn't play for him anymore.
• Not a bad coach, but not the right coach for this team.
• Replace with Sheldon Keefe

SECOND - Add Grit + Defence

• Trade: Timothy Liljigren for Tyler Bertuzzi
  • this is a tough one, Liljigren has great potential, but also needs time.
  • Bertuzzi adds an element the team doesnt have, Detroit has time and Liljigren would already be one of their better D-men
• Trade: Cody Ceci & Nick Petan for Erik Gudbranson (50% Ret) and Casey DeSmith
  • Gudbranson isnt a good d-man by any means, but can be used on the PK and adds an element we are lacking to our back end. Gives us cap flexibility this year and a backup goalie.
• Trade: Kasperi Kapanen + Small Add for Adam Larsson
  • Oilers get a speedy winger who can score to play with McDavid/Draisaitl/RNH
  • Leafs get a big, top 4 RHD who has fallen out of favour in Edmonton
• Trade: 3rd Rdp + Mason Marchement for Marcus Foligno ($1,000,000 Ret.)

THIRD - Lines

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Johnsson - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - Kerfoot - Micheyev
Foligno - Gauthier - Moore

Rielly - Larsson
Muzzin - Barrie
Dermott - Gudbranson

Andersen
DeSmith

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[Fogelhund]

The Leafs have never and will never have a core with as good an opportunity to win than this one. It's time to make tough decisions to give them the best opportunity to win.

FIRST - Fire Babcock

• Im sorry, but he's done here. The team doesn't play for him anymore.
• Not a bad coach, but not the right coach for this team.
• Replace with Sheldon Keefe

SECOND - Add Grit + Defence

• Trade: Timothy Liljigren for Tyler Bertuzzi
  • this is a tough one, Liljigren has great potential, but also needs time.
  • Bertuzzi adds an element the team doesnt have, Detroit has time and Liljigren would already be one of their better D-men
• Trade: Cody Ceci & Nick Petan for Erik Gudbranson (50% Ret) and Casey DeSmith
  • Gudbranson isnt a good d-man by any means, but can be used on the PK and adds an element we are lacking to our back end. Gives us cap flexibility this year and a backup goalie.
• Trade: Kasperi Kapanen + Small Add for Adam Larsson
  • Oilers get a speedy winger who can score to play with McDavid/Draisaitl/RNH
  • Leafs get a big, top 4 RHD who has fallen out of favour in Edmonton
• Trade: 3rd Rdp + Mason Marchement for Marcus Foligno ($1,000,000 Ret.)

THIRD - Lines

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Johnsson - Tavares - Nylander
Hyman - Kerfoot - Micheyev
Foligno - Gauthier - Moore

Rielly - Larsson
Muzzin - Barrie
Dermott - Gudbranson

Andersen
DeSmith

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Frankly, I hate all of it.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Frankly, I hate all of it.

Even firing Babcock?


Anyway, not that Babcock and toughness are synonymous, it's very unlikely that they go get a bunch after he leaves. I actually think the forward group could use some more variation. But that's a bit overboard.

 

[CelticDruid]

I would love to have another two Muzzin type D.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

What if we try

Matthews - Tavares - Marner
Johnsson - Nylander - Kapanen
Micheyev - Kerfoot - Hyman
Tymashov - Goat - Moore

 

[Menzinger]

Yeah Holl’s been fine. Didn’t think he got a fair shake last year with sporadic ice time but he’s looked better than I thought he would as a regular

I think hes got the most room to surprise people among the depth guys on the team. Think he can be a pretty comfortably solid #5/6 guy

 

[Fogelhund]

Even firing Babcock?


Anyway, not that Babcock and toughness are synonymous, it's very unlikely that they go get a bunch after he leaves. I actually think the forward group could use some more variation. But that's a bit overboard.

I went straight to the trades, skipped GO, and Skipped the firing Babcock bits. I'm ambivalent. Fire him, don't fire him... don't care.

I'd give the players a few more games, but not too much...From what I've seen, the players just haven't been working hard enough, or perhaps not executing well enough at times, particularly our big money guys. I'm not in the room, or the building to know what the problem is. Easy to sit behind my screen and say Babcock has lost them... but how do I know, or you know? Surely Dubas and Shanahan have a pretty good feel as to what is going on, and surely they've talked to Babcock. Ultimately it's Babcock's job to get these guys to perform, and win, and if he can't, next.