Trades and Free Agent Talk - A New Season A New Thread

[Ziggdiezan]

Later? You realize we already have 3 guys making 11M on the team

Good luck making that work

Ya I'm surprised people think the leafs can add another 10+ million dollar player onto an already top heavy team. Do they literally want half of the lineup being league min contracts.

Leafs core is pretty much set and I would be really surprised if the leafs grab a big ticket UFA other than Barrie who I think Dubas will really push to resign.

 

[Kurtz]

Ya I'm surprised people think the leafs can add another 10+ million dollar player onto an already top heavy team. Do they literally want half of the lineup being league min contracts.

Leafs core is pretty much set and I would be really surprised if the leafs grab a big ticket UFA other than Barrie who I think Dubas will really push to resign.

What kind of contract do you think Barrie will get compared to Peterangelo? I see them being maybe 1.5 mil apart (8m vs 9.5m), in which case I'd go with the latter, I think.

Off course the other option is to deal Money Mitch. That way we can afford Barrie and Peterangelo and Muzzin, and we get extra picks to play with at the deadline. Our offense and defense would both be stacked this way.

 

[Rare Jewel]

What kind of contract do you think Barrie will get compared to Peterangelo? I see them being maybe 1.5 mil apart (8m vs 9.5m), in which case I'd go with the latter, I think.

Off course the other option is to deal Money Mitch. That way we can afford Barrie and Peterangelo and Muzzin, and we get extra picks to play with at the deadline. Our offense and defense would both be stacked this way.

What are we getting for Mitch in this scenario? Some extra picks ? No thanks.

If we do get anything substantial, we likely can't afford to keep that given how much money you've splashed on those three defenceman.

 

[Kurtz]

What are we getting for Mitch in this scenario? Some extra picks ? No thanks.

If we do get anything substantial, we likely can't afford to keep that given how much money you've splashed on those three defenceman.

We were told that there were two teams planning to give Mitch an offer (4 1st rounders). If we can still get those (doubtful, but maybe?) in the off-season and direct the money to Peter, Barrie and Muzzin, that'd make us more balanced, better overall, and more sustainable going forward.

We have I believe $13 mil in cap room coming off next year. Add Mitch's $11, and that should be enough to fit all 3.

 

[Kiwi]

What kind of contract do you think Barrie will get compared to Peterangelo? I see them being maybe 1.5 mil apart (8m vs 9.5m), in which case I'd go with the latter, I think.

Off course the other option is to deal Money Mitch. That way we can afford Barrie and Peterangelo and Muzzin, and we get extra picks to play with at the deadline. Our offense and defense would both be stacked this way.

Hell no, i dislike Marner's deal on a fundamental level but you don't trade a kid that age who's easily capable of multiple PPG seasons so you can give two guys over 30 UFA contracts and a flawed player like Barrie UFA dollars

You've got Rielly and Dermott, Sandin and Liljegren developing and enough money to put together a good defensive core next season if you spend our cap space wisely

Spending large in UFA like that isn't wisely imo

 

[Legion34]

What kind of contract do you think Barrie will get compared to Peterangelo? I see them being maybe 1.5 mil apart (8m vs 9.5m), in which case I'd go with the latter, I think.

Off course the other option is to deal Money Mitch. That way we can afford Barrie and Peterangelo and Muzzin, and we get extra picks to play with at the deadline. Our offense and defense would both be stacked this way.

My guesses.

Barrie. 8 x 7.25-7.5
Petro. 7 x 9.5

I would almost circle back to P.K. in jersey. He doesn’t seem like he is working out there. They have money.

If you could get him for say kappy and a prospect with 1.8 retained for 2 years it would be huge for the team. The next contract wouldn’t be big.

P.K. for 7.2 would be good without an 8 year commitment

 

[thewave]

My guesses.

Barrie. 8 x 7.25-7.5
Petro. 7 x 9.5

I would almost circle back to P.K. in jersey. He doesn’t seem like he is working out there. They have money.

If you could get him for say kappy and a prospect with 1.8 retained for 2 years it would be huge for the team. The next contract wouldn’t be big.

P.K. for 7.2 would be good without an 8 year commitment

Not a bad idea, I like PK, I like PK better for cheap and without the partying. Is he partying? Babcock would probably hate him though.

 

[Rob Brown]

Not a bad idea, I like PK, I like PK better for cheap and without the partying. Is he partying? Babcock would probably hate him though.

I don't know if Babcock would hate him. Yeah he's outgoing and vocal, but he works out like crazy and is clearly very motivated. He does a lot of public events and stuff in the summer but he still takes his craft seriously and is very, very active in the community which the Leafs value.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

My guesses.

Barrie. 8 x 7.25-7.5
Petro. 7 x 9.5

I would almost circle back to P.K. in jersey. He doesn’t seem like he is working out there. They have money.

If you could get him for say kappy and a prospect with 1.8 retained for 2 years it would be huge for the team. The next contract wouldn’t be big.

P.K. for 7.2 would be good without an 8 year commitment

I'm not convinced anyone gives Barrie that kind of term, at least not at that dollar amount, without regretting it.

Rangers gave Shattenkirk half of that and still ended up regretting it hard.

 

[Menzinger]

I'm not convinced anyone gives Barrie that kind of term, at least not at that dollar amount, without regretting it.

Rangers gave Shattenkirk half of that and still ended up regretting it hard.

I think folks are running a little wild with that initial media rumor that was clearly stated by Barries agent.

I suspect t his eventual aav will be a bit lower than most expect

 

[Legion34]

I don't know if Babcock would hate him. Yeah he's outgoing and vocal, but he works out like crazy and is clearly very motivated. He does a lot of public events and stuff in the summer but he still takes his craft seriously and is very, very active in the community which the Leafs value.

We were after him before Barrie but wanted retention. It could happen with jersey

 

[Legion34]

I'm not convinced anyone gives Barrie that kind of term, at least not at that dollar amount, without regretting it.

Rangers gave Shattenkirk half of that and still ended up regretting it hard.

Spurgeon just got 7.5 x 7.
Krug is the best comparable.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Spurgeon just got 7.5 x 7.
Krug is the best comparable.

Spurgeon is used in a lot more high leverage defensive situations than Barrie.

Barrie and Krug are solid comparables. Krug likely makes a bit more than Barrie for a variety of reasons, but not significantly. I don't think either get huge long term deals unless a stupid GM gets too excited. I just hope Dubas is not that GM. Keep the term down to 4 years and $$ below 8 mill. Otherwise walk away and don't look back.

 

[Kurtz]

Hell no, i dislike Marner's deal on a fundamental level but you don't trade a kid that age who's easily capable of multiple PPG seasons so you can give two guys over 30 UFA contracts and a flawed player like Barrie UFA dollars

You've got Rielly and Dermott, Sandin and Liljegren developing and enough money to put together a good defensive core next season if you spend our cap space wisely

Spending large in UFA like that isn't wisely imo

All valid points.

To me though, looking at it pragmatically, this would make us a better and more balanced team for the next 3-4 years. Beyond that, we're weighting if the future benefit of the four first rounders is roughly on par with Mitch alone, and I think we draft well enough now to where it would be.

Mitch's age is the only thing that makes me hesitate...but at the same time I don't know if the age factor is massively important in his case. Yea, he might be an all-star for the next 10 seasons, but we're only guaranteed to have him for 6. After that he's a UFA, and given how badly he bent us over as a RFA, I don't want to imagine what he'll try to do to us as a UFA with actual leverage.

 

[Menzinger]

Spurgeon is better than Barrie by a fair margin. So I wouldn't consider that contract to be a boost for Barries negotiation position

 

[ShaneFalco]

 

[Trapper]

Dubas should be working on his D for next year now as well.

I don't think we want to pay Barrie 8 mil. So gone.
Ceci, I'm not sure how the year goes, what kind of money he wants and if he's worth it. Could be gone.

That leaves Muzzin.
And if we had to package a Kapanen/Ceci for a D + pick signed longer term, I'd look at it.

 

[Menzinger]

Dont disagree. And i.suspect too he will give the Leafs a better deal (especially compared to Barrie) than some presume too.

I think moving Kapanen for a rhd also makes way too much sense too. Love the player but hes probably the best valuable trade chip the Leafs would move without disrupting the lineup too much

 

[Rare Jewel]

I like Pierre, but he does tend to sugar coat guys from those California teams he covered in the playoffs for quite some time.

I'd say he's our most physical defender, but not our best.

 

[Duffman955]

I like Pierre, but he does tend to sugar coat guys from those California teams he covered in the playoffs for quite some time.

I'd say he's our most physical defender, but not our best.

Hes the best at actually playing defense. That's not even arguable

 

[Magic Man]

I like the idea of signing Muzzin by mid-season to a short 3 year contract extension. I think we should sign Muzzin and then wait on signing Barrie. I like the idea of Pietrangelo in over Barrie, even if the money/term is more expensive and if they have to move someone out to make some room. I also like the idea of Subban at 50% retained if New Jersey falters this season.

 

[Nylander88]

Muzzin is a must sign. We have guys like Rielly, Dermott, Sandin for sure next year....we need guys who Defend. Muzzin is our best D-man at that. Hope we can sign him in the 3-4 year rage and the 4.5-6 million value

 

[Nylander88]

Wish we'd grab Adam McQuaid for league minimum. Our #6 D spot is clearly wide open

 

[Dragao6]

My guesses.

Barrie. 8 x 7.25-7.5
Petro. 7 x 9.5

I would almost circle back to P.K. in jersey. He doesn’t seem like he is working out there. They have money.

If you could get him for say kappy and a prospect with 1.8 retained for 2 years it would be huge for the team. The next contract wouldn’t be big.

P.K. for 7.2 would be good without an 8 year commitment

I like it, ok would be a huge hit in Toronto and fit in well with young kids, bring some personality and presence. I've always though pk would eventually put on a leafs jersey

I wouldn't mind a Barrie for pesce either, great contract for us

 

[Martin Skoula]

I'd love to see if Muzzin would bite on a lower AAV retirement term contract where it's designed to be easy to buy out or move to a cap floor team in 4-5 years. If we can get him in the low 4s for that kind of arrangement that would be ideal.

Love his game, but worried I won't when he's 35.