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WTFMAN said:2nd highest AAV and can't get more then 5 years on it? Pretty bad.
Brayden Point, a player that had a pt/game, scored more goals and plays a more important position signed for 6.75M x 3 years and apparently Marner turned down 9M x3 years by all accounts.
Aho, a player i'd basically consider to be on par with Marner but happens to play centre and has less impressive linemates makes 8.5M x5 yrs compared to 10.89M x6 years...the extra year is worth 2.4M aav? Aho also only got that deal because it was forced via offer sheet.
I have no problems saying it, Dubas blows when it comes to negotiating contracts with star players.
I think that the Marner contract looks like an overpay today compared to Point's contract. But keep in mind that Point's last year of his 3 year deal is worth 9 million. Which means like others have stated the next contract he gets if he continues down the road he is going will be north of 12 million a season.
With the cap going up next season and the season after that, Marner's contract will be a moot point and we will be locked in 3 more years at a reasonable rate considering others that will be resigning after their bridge deals are up. Yes it hurts today, but as the cap goes up and others sign the Leafs will be on top in all of this once again.
which is the way it should be, again with players like these you normally have an ELC window, bridge window, and then the full contract window. We saw it with Hawks
Dubas is trying something
different...hopefully by plan
The plan was telegraphed, break the market. Market said screw you Kyle and that's the end of that.
Wonder if Kaskisuo + a 6th for Jarry could be possible.
Kaskisuo would clear for the Pens and they'd get a solid AHL goalie.
Leafs would get a younger version of Hutch that's also cheaper and under team control for only a 6th.
The main reason we know Marner was significantly overpaid is because the leafs reportedly offered 8.7 x 3 (via Mirtle). That is almost 2 million more on a 3 year bridge and it wasnt even accepted....I think that the Marner contract looks like an overpay today compared to Point's contract. But keep in mind that Point's last year of his 3 year deal is worth 9 million. Which means like others have stated the next contract he gets if he continues down the road he is going will be north of 12 million a season.
With the cap going up next season and the season after that, Marner's contract will be a moot point and we will be locked in 3 more years at a reasonable rate considering others that will be resigning after their bridge deals are up. Yes it hurts today, but as the cap goes up and others sign the Leafs will be on top in all of this once again.
The main reason we know Marner was significantly overpaid is because the leafs reportedly offered 8.7 x 3 (via Mirtle). That is almost 2 million more on a 3 year bridge and it wasnt even accepted....
It is okay to admit Dubas overpaid. Also there is pretty much no way Point can makeup the cash on Marner in the next 6 years.
Marner makes a total of 65.348 million in 6 years.
Point makes 20.25 over 3 years and then let's say wants to rush to UFA to maximize earnings. His qualifying offer based on his base salary in the last year is 9 million so he takes a 9 million x 1 year contract to get to UFA.
Point is now at 29.25 million over 4 years. That means he would have to make 36.134 million over the next 2 seasons to catch Marner up. So unless you think Point is going to get a 18 million AAV contract there is no way he will catch Marner up.
If we were Tampa Bay, in Tampa Bay, then this would be much more relevant.
Does anyone even think that the two cities are comparable? Think about it - in Tampa Bay you have beautiful weather and summer all year round, you have much lower taxation, you have a perennial conference contender, a core of legit all-stars with no holes in their lineup, and you have relative privacy should you desire not having a camera shoved in your face 24-7 while living your life outside the rink. Frankly I can't see how anyone would think we would actually be able to pay anywhere close to the rates TB can get away with paying.
Fair points, but we also have advantages that other cities do not. (IE: get paid in USD, spend CAD, every home game sold out, ability to play close to home for many guys, world-class city with best entertainment options in North America outside of New York, legal weed, and most opportunity to make additional revenue from ads).
It should absolutely not be a chore for guys to play on the Leafs, unless perhaps they're a star but also an introvert. And even those guys can warm up to the city - Kessel didn't want to leave, for example.
The main reason we know Marner was significantly overpaid is because the leafs reportedly offered 8.7 x 3 (via Mirtle). That is almost 2 million more on a 3 year bridge and it wasnt even accepted....
It is okay to admit Dubas overpaid. Also there is pretty much no way Point can makeup the cash on Marner in the next 6 years.
Marner makes a total of 65.348 million in 6 years.
Point makes 20.25 over 3 years and then let's say wants to rush to UFA to maximize earnings. His qualifying offer based on his base salary in the last year is 9 million so he takes a 9 million x 1 year contract to get to UFA.
Point is now at 29.25 million over 4 years. That means he would have to make 36.134 million over the next 2 seasons to catch Marner up. So unless you think Point is going to get a 18 million AAV contract there is no way he will catch Marner up.
It sounds unnecessary.
3. We’ll see if the NHL and NHLPA agree to a different number as part of negotiations, but at last week’s Board of Governors meeting, the 2020-21 cap was estimated at $84.5 million, if the players do not use any escalator at all.
Wonder if Kaskisuo + a 6th for Jarry could be possible.
Kaskisuo would clear for the Pens and they'd get a solid AHL goalie.
Leafs would get a younger version of Hutch that's also cheaper and under team control for only a 6th.
I'm not commenting on the lightning on a whole nor should their overpaid vets have anything to do with the leafs overpaying Marner. Point is a decent comparable to Marner (90+ points on ELC) and just signed a significantly cheaper contract than the one offered and not accepted by Marner. That is a problem.Obsessing about how individual stars is pointless (pun intended). Hockey is a TEAM SPORT. Teams that nickel and dime their stars end up feeling compelled to overpay elsewhere. Yeah, the Lightning has Point on a sweet if very short term deal. And next year Vasilevsky becomes twice as expensive as Anderson. Also, they have a bunch of $5mil forwards that will do about the same work as the Leafs $3mil forwards do, and due to overpaying in the middle, it means one or two have to go every year. Take 20-21. They'll have to figure out how to put a team on ice next year while having a whole $7 mil in cap space and about 8 roster spots they are going to have to pay for. One or two among Palat, Johnson, Gourde or Kilorn are going to have to go.
As others have mentioned there are plenty of benefits to playing and living in Toronto. There are also plenty of benefits to not living in florida, especially if you have a family.If we were Tampa Bay, in Tampa Bay, then this would be much more relevant.
Does anyone even think that the two cities are comparable? Think about it - in Tampa Bay you have beautiful weather and summer all year round, you have much lower taxation, you have a perennial conference contender, a core of legit all-stars with no holes in their lineup, and you have relative privacy should you desire not having a camera shoved in your face 24-7 while living your life outside the rink. Frankly I can't see how anyone would think we would actually be able to pay anywhere close to the rates TB can get away with paying.
Not really weird. Barclay's gets no action from fans. It's an empty house on most home games. Atleast at Nassau they have their actual diehards show up. Their management was beyond stupid to move the arena into Brooklyn downtown. Nassau county is way too far a commute for any reasonable fan to make.Weird: The New York Islanders have moved 7 home games back to the Nassau Coliseum this season.
I dont understand the line of thought whereby people basically say it is okay to overpay our stars because we dont have any bad contracts on the books. That is not a good strategy in a cap league. You try to get everyone you can locked up as cheaply as you can.
None of those guys are good enough to make Kapanen expendable. Plus, you'd probably want to see those guys play well for more than a half a season before you do something like that.