Proposal: Trade/FA Thread '21 Offseason

[26Mats]

His passing play was no better in Columbus. We mostly traded for a younger Gallagher but with size and speed with.... way too much terms... like Gallagher. Feel like this team should only have 1 of the 2 as RW. With Caufield whos already better than Anderson and Gallagher is a bad problem because both players are there for 6 more years and 1 is already on the decline.

I really wish we would have waited for Gallagher , Anderson as #2 RW would have been nice with Caufield as #1

Compared to Anderson, Gallagher is Wayne Gretzky when it comes to passing and using his linemates to make offensive plays and passing plays.

It is unfortunate to see the decline of the Tatar-Danault-Gallagher libe just as Suzuki, Caufield, and KK are starting to emerge and with addition of Toffoli.

I'd construct the the team around a Toffoli-Suzuki-Caufield offensive line; a Danault-Evans shutdown duo with either Lehkonen or Byron completing it; keep the 4th line as is, even next year.

That leaves reconstructing the KK line as an offensive line. I'd start with Anderson and Gallagher on the wings.

If Anderson didn't have defensive awareness issues, he'd be good with Danualt, to perhaps get some pinball offense. But he's a defensive liability too often.

 

[waitin425]

Jones isn’t a UFA this offseason…

Trade Guhle and 2021 1st and 2nd for him. Re-up him right away.

 

[HabsForHire]

Suzuki for me is a no go, like the Dubois situation I'm only interest in pairing Suzuki with another high end center.

KK + Romanov + Drouin + 1st + 2nds imo would be incredibly tough to beat as a package.

Id even throw in poehling too

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Compared to Anderson, Gallagher is Wayne Gretzky when it comes to passing and using his linemates to make offensive plays and passing plays.

It is unfortunate to see the decline of the Tatar-Danault-Gallagher libe just as Suzuki, Caufield, and KK are starting to emerge and with addition of Toffoli.

I'd construct the the team around a Toffoli-Suzuki-Caufield offensive line; a Danault-Evans shutdown duo with either Lehkonen or Byron completing it; keep the 4th line as is, even next year.

That leaves reconstructing the KK line as an offensive line. I'd start with Anderson and Gallagher on the wings.

If Anderson didn't have defensive awareness issues, he'd be good with Danualt, to perhaps get some pinball offense. But he's a defensive liability too often.

Gallagher and Anderson both have brick hands for passings. Gallagher is also gassed every 5sec he's on the ice. Hes not even 20% of the player he was this season. He will still get his points but man that extension is god awful and it's not even started.

You are right we should build around the Suzuki line. Minus , we need to upgrade so many spots and none of Gllagher or Anderson can play LW. which make 1 of them expandable.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

apparently Kevin Fiala is available and we need LWs but hes probably gonna cost alot tho

 

[The Great Weal]

apparently Kevin Fiala is available and we need LWs but hes probably gonna cost alot tho

They want a center in return. Suzuki isn't going anywhere and trading KK for a player that isn't a center or LHD makes zero sense.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

They want a center in return. Suzuki isn't going anywhere and trading KK for a player that isn't a center or LHD makes zero sense.

Extension Danault + 1st pick MTL for Fiala?

They need a center

We could

Toffoli-Suzuki-Caufield
Fiala-KK-Anderson
Armia-*-Gallagher
Lekhonen-Evans-Byron

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

They want a center in return. Suzuki isn't going anywhere and trading KK for a player that isn't a center or LHD makes zero sense.

yea not interested in trading Suzuki or KK

 

[General Fanager]

Extension Danault + 1st pick MTL for Fiala?

They need a center

We could

Toffoli-Suzuki-Caufield
Fiala-KK-Anderson
Armia-*-Gallagher
Lekhonen-Evans-Byron

Have you not been watching the playoffs???

They must keep Danault. Also Drouin isnt on your list....

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Extension Danault + 1st pick MTL for Fiala?

They need a center

We could

Toffoli-Suzuki-Caufield
Fiala-KK-Anderson
Armia-*-Gallagher
Lekhonen-Evans-Byron

hes a UFA even if we let them talk to him before we would just be trading hes rights wich is worth what a 3rd or 4th round pick

 

[Mike Towers]

apparently Kevin Fiala is available and we need LWs but hes probably gonna cost alot tho

Fiala might be available because the Wild can only protect two out of these three in he expansion draft....Fiala,Greenway and Dumba.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Have you not been watching the playoffs???

They must keep Danault. Also Drouin isnt on your list....

...at all costs??...are we willing to give Phil his long-term deal over $5 Mill per??...does that make us a better team??...

 

[Roadhouse]

...at all costs??...are we willing to give Phil his long-term deal over $5 Mill per??...does that make us a better team??...

What's the alternative? Banking on Poehling to improve massively? Evans healthy and balls out all season? Tough matchups all taken by Suzuki? Cause KK sure as hell can't keep up with the Karlssons and Matthewses of the league. Not yet anyhow, and I don't think he ever will TBH.

Who's a compelling UFA C we can add for the rest of Price & Weber's years in MTL? (I'd add Perry to that timeline too)

Danault is gonna get a super smackin' Dominos PR deal the way Drouin made big money with McDonald's commercials. Now that Drouin is going off grid, and that his cap hit may not be an issue, I see no reason not to give 5 to 5.5 to Phil Danault. Suzuki & Kotkaniemi need another few years before being steady 1 & 2 C's.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Have you not been watching the playoffs???

They must keep Danault. Also Drouin isnt on your list....

Yes I did watched the playoff so what ? He brings nothing offensively and you want to extend him as a top 6 center? please stop. Also Drouin is gone as a habs.

hes a UFA even if we let them talk to him before we would just be trading hes rights wich is worth what a 3rd or 4th round pick

You can talk with Danault/Minnesota for expansion protection and sure trade so both can work a deal but was just throwing out there. Their best center is Victor Rask...

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

What's the alternative? Banking on Poehling to improve massively? Evans healthy and balls out all season? Tough matchups all taken by Suzuki? Cause KK sure as hell can't keep up with the Karlssons and Matthewses of the league. Not yet anyhow, and I don't think he ever will TBH.

Who's a compelling UFA C we can add for the rest of Price & Weber's years in MTL? (I'd add Perry to that timeline too)

Danault is gonna get a super smackin' Dominos PR deal the way Drouin made big money with McDonald's commercials. Now that Drouin is going off grid, and that his cap hit may not be an issue, I see no reason not to give 5 to 5.5 to Phil Danault. Suzuki & Kotkaniemi need another few years before being steady 1 & 2 C's.

...the issue I see is that Kotkaniemi isn't getting proper development if he is still consistently playing behind both Suzuki and Danault going forward, which is what I see happening if we sign Phil to a big money long-term deal...no one is taking Danault's ability to be an elite shutdown guy away from him; it's extremely important to us, especially with our current Philosophy of play...that's the issue, imo; our Philosophy, what kind of team are we moving forward...look at the Isles, for example; our playing style is very similar to theirs and yet they don't sacrifice Barzal's ToI or Nelson's ToI despite how important Pageau and their 4th line are to that team because Trotz understands that you still have to outscore your opponent to win...there should be and will always be games where our Shutdown line leads the team in icetime; the issue lies in is it semi-frequent occurrence or is it how our team is built...if it's the latter, then it's been going on for years and has only gotten us as far as Price takes us...what I see is a need to find out how far Kotkaniemi can develop and that can only be done through playing at this point, since he can no longer be sent down to the AHL without having to go through waivers...I'd luv to keep Phil, but that's up to him and handcuffing ourselves with a $5+ mill long-term deal for a defensive specialist isn't what I consider progress moving forward...

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

...the issue I see is that Kotkaniemi isn't getting proper development if he is still consistently playing behind both Suzuki and Danault going forward, which is what I see happening if we sign Phil to a big money long-term deal...no one is taking Danault's ability to be an elite shutdown guy away from him; it's extremely important to us, especially with our current Philosophy of play...that's the issue, imo; our Philosophy, what kind of team are we moving forward...look at the Isles, for example; our playing style is very similar to theirs and yet they don't sacrifice Barzal's ToI or Nelson's ToI despite how important Pageau and their 4th line are to that team because Trotz understands that you still have to outscore your opponent to win...there should be and will always be games where our Shutdown line leads the team in icetime; the issue lies in is it semi-frequent occurrence or is it how our team is built...if it's the latter, then it's been going on for years and has only gotten us as far as Price takes us...what I see is a need to find out how far Kotkaniemi can develop and that can only be done through playing at this point, since he can no longer be sent down to the AHL without having to go through waivers...I'd luv to keep Phil, but that's up to him and handcuffing ourselves with a $5+ mill long-term deal for a defensive specialist isn't what I consider progress moving forward...

great post , the philosophy of this team needs to change. Everyone is happy right now which is really understandable but you gotta keep looking forward in the future seasons and not make quick decisions that you will regret.

I bet Bergevin already regret that Gallagher extension. Some will say ''he's injured'' but he's been playing like that the entire season. He's out of gas. Everytime he's on the ice for more than 10sec , he's completely out of stamina and barely drives into the net.

Bergevin did really well to not quickly extend Tatar , Armia and Danault. He has money to sign them all but he needs to look where do we go next season and how we improve. We are not gonna improve by just extending everyone.

At one time if you really want KK to progress then leave him as the 2nd center and give him icetime , hes #13 right now in TOI playoffs. If you sign Danault at 5.5m then you gotta play him as a top 6 center then KK have 0 needs in Montreal if that's the case then they should trade him.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

great post , the philosophy of this team needs to change. Everyone is happy right now which is really understandable but you gotta keep looking forward in the future seasons and not make quick decisions that you will regret.

I bet Bergevin already regret that Gallagher extension. Some will say ''he's injured'' but he's been playing like that the entire season. He's out of gas. Everytime he's on the ice for more than 10sec , he's completely out of stamina and barely drives into the net.

Bergevin did really well to not quickly extend Tatar , Armia and Danault. He has money to sign them all but he needs to look where do we go next season and how we improve. We are not gonna improve by just extending everyone.

At one time if you really want KK to progress then leave him as the 2nd center and give him icetime , hes #13 right now in TOI playoffs. If you sign Danault at 5.5m then you gotta play him as a top 6 center then KK have 0 needs in Montreal if that's the case then they should trade him.

 

[The Great Weal]

Extension Danault + 1st pick MTL for Fiala?

They need a center

We could

Toffoli-Suzuki-Caufield
Fiala-KK-Anderson
Armia-*-Gallagher
Lekhonen-Evans-Byron

Danault's rights are worth like a 4th right now

 

[General Fanager]

Yes I did watched the playoff so what ? He brings nothing offensively and you want to extend him as a top 6 center? please stop. Also Drouin is gone as a habs.

You can talk with Danault/Minnesota for expansion protection and sure trade so both can work a deal but was just throwing out there. Their best center is Victor Rask...

LOL without Danault they lose to The Leafs. I dont care if he scores even 1 point all season, Him as a shut down is elite. And who said I want him as a top 6 center? Also when did MB tell you that Drouin is done with The Habs?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

LOL without Danault they lose to The Leafs. I dont care if he scores even 1 point all season, Him as a shut down is elite. And who said I want him as a top 6 center? Also when did MB tell you that Drouin is done with The Habs?

Good give a guy 5.5m a year that can't play offensively. His defensive numbers were so good during the regualr season we were 24-32. What could go wort.
Also It's called common sense that Drouin is not coming back as a habs. It's called judgment. It's like saying Tatar is a goner.


But if you cant see further than your nose im sorry.

also lol'd at the reason Danault was the reason why we beat Leafs. It's actually laughable.
It's not like Leafs choked , Leafs missing Tavares and injured Foligno , not like the 2 ot winners were scored by KK , Suzuki/Caufield 2on0
Not like Carey Price didnt save our ass game 6 OT when your godlike Danault lost 7 faceoffs in the defensive zone.

You can say alot of thing what happened with the Leafs but Danault being a direct huge cause of them losing is f***ing a joke and it's embarassing.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Danault's rights are worth like a 4th right now

Was talking more like sign and trade type of deal

 

[General Fanager]

Good give a guy 5.5m a year that can't play offensively. His defensive numbers were so good during the regualr season we were 24-32. What could go wort.
Also It's called common sense that Drouin is not coming back as a habs. It's called judgment. It's like saying Tatar is a goner.


But if you cant see further than your nose im sorry.

Tatar is a UFA, Drouin isnt. He is on LTIR and can be back at almost any time. Its just being realistic. No team will trade for him and he has a valid contract so if he says he is healthy and ready to go, he will be a Hab. There is no common sense or judgment involved.

Who says Danault will get 5.5? Where is the link for that? is that real or one of those HFB panic type threads that somehow get passed along as fact??

 

[General Fanager]

Was talking more like sign and trade type of deal

lol why would a team pay big assets for a guy they can sign for free in a month?

I think you live in fantasyland.....

 

[Sterling Archer]

If we somehow managed to get Tkachuk from Calgary added to our lineup, we’d be one of the carpets teams in the league now and in a couple of years when Guhle and Tuch are added to the lineup. That’s a LOT of beef!

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Tatar is a UFA, Drouin isnt. He is on LTIR and can be back at almost any time. Its just being realistic. No team will trade for him and he has a valid contract so if he says he is healthy and ready to go, he will be a Hab. There is no common sense or judgment involved.

Who says Danault will get 5.5? Where is the link for that? is that real or one of those HFB panic type threads that somehow get passed along as fact??

Why would nobody trade for Drouin? He has 50-55 points season with 5.5m contract for 2 years. Perhaps if a 2.5m salary coming back with the same terms in a trade is coming , Drouin is not impossible to trade. He's still way more useful offensively than alot of players in the nhl who are in a top 6.

Who says Danault will get 5.5? Bro are you serious , Why would Danault sign his ''big contract'' at 4m a season and play on a thirdline when they are teams that will throw him 5-6m a year to play a second center. Which Exemple Columbus , Minnesota even Edmonton could use him. Seriously I hope you know he's just a shutdown center , media are overhyping him alot. It's not like he's the cause of everything that happens to an entire roster.