Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals 2019-20 PART X

[BondraTime]

9M in 2021/22, 6M, 7M, 7M. Need to clear at least 8M. You are also assuming his SB was paid July 1st.

Yes, 31 million total over 5 years, 6.2 million. Not really an assumption, that's the way signing bonuses are put into contracts

 

[GCK]

Yes, 31 million total over 5 years, 6.2 million. Not really an assumption, that's the way signing bonuses are put into contracts

Not all. There are different dates, some may be payable Sept 15 others could stipulate 1st day of new league year, isn’t Ryan’s SB payable in May.

 

[Cosmix]

How do we unload 8M to make this happen ?

Lets see now; who makes $8M per year on the Senators roster today? The young'un and the old'un.

 

[BondraTime]

Not all. There are different dates, some may be payable Sept 15 others could stipulate 1st day of new league year, isn’t Ryan’s SB payable in May.

Ryan's 2018-19 bonus was paid May 15th, in the 2017-18 season, yes. And that isn't something that is common, may be the only one not paid out in the summer and I would assume there were some other reasons for that.

NHL and NHLPA came to an agreement not to defer payments, so it's very safe to assume Ekblad's bonus has been paid.

 

[PatrickEaves]

So apparently Edmonton is trying to shed cap space so they can trade for OEL.
Kris Russell has a $4mil cap hit, and is making $1.5mil in real salary next season.

I'd be willing to bet that Kris Russell will be an Ottawa Senator next season.

 

[Cosmix]

Yeah, even in the "new NHL" you will need experience and vets at some point. But we're not there yet. We need to contend for the playoffs first, then make the playoffs every year and become a more serious contender every year. By then, guys like Chabot, Tkachuk, Norris, #3 and #5, etc will have more experience and will be the "vets". Hopefully they'll have that opportunity while they are still young and in their prime. That's why you have to compete sooner than later. Don't wait that Chabot is 28 years old (he will still be good at that age if no major injuries)

Regarding the defense, a lot of things can still change before puck drop. Chabot, Wolanin and Zub are 3 solid pieces that I am counting on (assuming Zub isn't home sick and can adapt to NA and assuming Wolanin can get back to the level he was). Zaitsev could be fine if you don't ask too much of him, which doesn't seem to be a sure thing considering DJ's love for him. There's also Jaros and Lajoie who can play 3rd pairing.

Then what happens? Do we pick a D-man at #5? Would Drysdale or Sanderson be ready right way? Probably not so I'm not counting on that. Will Brannstrom be ready to fully make the jump? JBD and Thomson look like they won't graduate right away. They might want to acquire at least 1 D-man. The hope would be that they make a quantity package for quality.

This is what the roster will look like at the beginning (unless they sign vets). I'm assuming Batherson is fully ready and never looks back. I'm assuming one of Brown or Norris grabs the opportunity. Also assuming the 3rd OA pick makes the team as it seems to have been Dorion's intent since they secured that pick. Keep in mind, we're not competing for the cup and keep in mind there's no real 1st/2nd/3rd lines. At forward, Tkachuk, Duclair, Ryan, Brown, Tierney, White, Paul, Anisimov have NHL experience so they have to do their job and help out the younger guys. At D, also several guys with experience.

Tkachuk-3rd OA-Batherson
Duclair-Brown/Norris-Ryan
Brown-Tierney-White
Paul-Chlapik-Balcers
Hawryluk/Anisimov

Chabot-Zaitsev
Wolanin-Zub
Reilly-Jaros
Lajoie

Nilsson/Hogberg

As you can see there's already a LOGJAM brooming, so in theory, we don't need to sign any vets. Guys like Abramov, Formenton, Brown/Norris (the one who didn't make the team), Davidsson and Brannstrom will want/need opportunities to show what they got. Injuries happen but there's a lot of guys that will need auditions. If you sign 2-3 vets, you are BLOCKING the chance to realize your main objective. Like I said, we have to find out what we have in many of these prospects. Many of them are not juniors freshly drafted, they are pro vets now.

Don't forget that outside of the guys I mentionned, there's also the #5 oa pick, the other 1st round pick, the 4 second round picks, JBD, Thomson, Pinto, etc that will still be in the pool and some of them will progress to knock at the door soon so again, comitting to "vets" would be blocking the way. As I have been saying several times in the past, there's a massive logjam coming up.

That roster projection looks just about right to me, given the financial situation, NHL level contracts signed, etc.. I suspect that there will only be 13 forwards on the team, not 14. I also think that the fight for the 4 center spots will be between Tierney, Anisimov, Norris, Chlapik, and L. Brown with the 3rd OA being sent back/down. I suspect that Balcers will beat out Hawyluk for a spot.

 

[GCK]

So apparently Edmonton is trying to shed cap space so they can trade for OEL.
Kris Russell has a $4mil cap hit, and is making $1.5mil in real salary next season.

I'd be willing to bet that Kris Russell will be an Ottawa Senator next season.

We bandied about 28OA + Duclair for 14OA + Russell.

 

[TheDebater]

We bandied about 28OA + Duclair for 14OA + Russell.

That is definitely an overpayment from our end.

 

[GCK]

That is definitely an overpayment from our end.

If anything I think it’s a little light on our part. Duclair is just spare change.

 

[GCK]

How about a 3 way deal.

Vegas sends Fleury and 29OA to Ottawa for Nilsson
Ottawa retains 40% on Fleury and send him along with 29OA and Gaborik to Toronto for Andersen and 15OA.

Dollars out for Ottawa about 3M this year
Dollars in for Ottawa 3.4M this year and 2.4 next year.

 

[TheDebater]

If anything I think it’s a little light on our part. Duclair is just spare change.

I suppose that is where we differ, as I have a much higher opinion of Duclair than most people.

 

[Taluss]

Talking to a Bolts fan. Norris and Isles 1st for Cirelli. Who says no

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Talking to a Bolts fan. Norris and Isles 1st for Cirelli. Who says no

DJ Smith would say YES

Would love Cirelli but .. I will say no I would do Norris and 51

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Talking to a Bolts fan. Norris and Isles 1st for Cirelli. Who says no

I say no. Wanna hold on to Norris.

 

[JaredCowen4Norris]

What would people think about trying to get Tuch from Vegas?

I'd move our early second round for him if Vegas is trying to clear cap space for Pietrangelo. He's under contract for the next 5 years at a reasonable $4.75 mil which will be low enough that if we want to move him a few years down the line it will be relatively easy to do so.

Having C. Brown, Tuch, and Batherson on RW would be a solid core to build around + any RW we may draft this year (Raymond ). Tuch also has the playoff experience from Vegas which would be nice to have as the Sens start competing again.

 

[Clayonator]

I say no. Wanna hold on to Norris.

1, his upside is higher imo, 2, that friendship factor with Brady is something people laugh at, but I think is valuable.

 

[Clayonator]

What would people think about trying to get Tuch from Vegas?

I'd move our early second round for him if Vegas is trying to clear cap space for Pietrangelo. He's under contract for the next 5 years at a reasonable $4.75 mil which will be low enough that if we want to move him a few years down the line it will be relatively easy to do so.

Having C. Brown, Tuch, and Batherson on RW would be a solid core to build around + any RW we may draft this year (Raymond ). Tuch also has the playoff experience from Vegas which would be nice to have as the Sens start competing again.

It would take an overpayment.

 

[JaredCowen4Norris]

It would take an overpayment.

Most I'd do is something like Abramov + OTT 2nd or OTT 2020 2nd + SJS 2021 2nd. He's a good player who, IMO, could be like Clarke Macarthur but I wouldn't give up more then that for him.

 

[Clayonator]

Most I'd do is something like Abramov + OTT 2nd or OTT 2020 2nd + SJS 2021 2nd. He's a good player who, IMO, could be like Clarke Macarthur but I wouldn't give up more then that for him.

I’d do that for sure, but I think they’d ask for something dumb like Norris/L.Brown.

 

[bert]

5th overall + Colin White + Lassi Thomson + Artem Anisimov for Aaron Ekblad

That is horrible.

 

[JaredCowen4Norris]

I’d do that for sure, but I think they’d ask for something dumb like Norris/L.Brown.

Yeah if they're dead set on one of those guys I'd say no. They may also just choose to keep him because his contract really isn't that big of an impediment for them. Just think it's worth Dorion kicking tires on some younger guys who may get squeezed out because of cap issues.

 

[Liver King]

I think we just need a steady physical two way dman

For free agents there is Tanev Hamonic Gudas and Bogosian. Byfuglien, if he wants to come back, would be a good fit here

If we are trading big assets go for a top 6 forward imo

 

[GCK]

Talking to a Bolts fan. Norris and Isles 1st for Cirelli. Who says no

We do.

 

[Clayonator]

Yeah if they're dead set on one of those guys I'd say no. They may also just choose to keep him because his contract really isn't that big of an impediment for them. Just think it's worth Dorion kicking tires on some younger guys who may get squeezed out because of cap issues.

Tkachuk-Byfield-Tuch

 

[GCK]

Tkachuk-Byfield-Tuch

That’s like an Oreo, hard on both sides with a soft middle.