Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals 2019-20 PART VIII

[Xspyrit]

Tampa with Sergachev will get less than they hope for imo. They will trade him before he gets a 1st/3rd or 1/2/3 from a mid pack team. I think we offer something like 33, 52, 74, 2nd ‘21, Wolanin, B+ prospect (Batherson) as they’ll want a replacement in the blue line and Wolanin isn’t protected from expansion. Also Tampa could use the extra picks to make more moves to keep the core together.

I don’t understand the lack of enthusiasm behind Tychonic. He’s a fine prospect and most teams would love to have him, if not all. The chemistry he’ll have with JBD will help his career.

Wait, you'd offer three 2nd round picks (including the 2nd OA pick in the second round in THIS draft), a 3rd, Wolanin and Batherson?

Batherson is not a B+ prospect... Look how he has been ranked through the years and look how he dominated the AHL in his 2 pro seasons...

For me, guys like Batherson, Norris, Formenton and even Brown are "untouchable" at the moment, not because they are McDavids, but bc that would be selling low before they make their mark in the NHL and gain value (maybe tremendous value). Plus, Ottawa is a team that loves to grow his own talent.

That being said, now way I give Batherson, Wolanin and three 2nd round picks for Sergachev.

Brannstrom would also be regarded like that as well but in that case, you upgrade him with Sergachev so that is why he would be available in that particular trade. I would add on top of Brannstrom but not tons.

Regarding Tychonick, I have not given up on him, but at the moment, there's a lot of guys he will have to pass on the depht chart... He has long ways to go... We'll see how he looks in the AHL first.

CouLd Brown not be a really good second line center that is terrific on the PP? Give him some fast physical wingers that can put the puck in the net and i could see him being a 55 to 65 point guy. Thats a pretty darn good player.

And we won't really need Brown to be much better than that. Just a good 2nd line Center who is also a PP specialist. Like you said, he will need to play with 2 dynamic wingers who can score in different ways. Have to exploit Logan's strength : playmaking. Seriously, his passing game is way too good to not be a NHL player, just has to work gradually on the rest of his game. He has a pretty good shot too, will have to learn to use it as a weapon too to keep defenders honest.

That's why I think Formenton and Batherson could be great for him.

Tkachuk-Byfield/Stutzle-Raymond
Formenton-Brown-Batherson

And Josh Norris... don't even know where to put him.

 

[Cosmix]

It hasn't been that long but man this just seems like a foreign concept now

Ancient history.

 

[Cosmix]

do you know how mad Jeff Brown is at you right now?

I will try to avoid him by travelling incognito.

 

[Cosmix]

Have you considered whether the team might keep some prospects in Belleville, junior or Europe a little longer, meaning at least one season in order to not have to protect too many players in the Seattle expansion draft?

I'm often wondering whether that would be advantageous to the team & why they might keep some guys in Belleville a little longer so that they don't have to be protected. When you can only protect 8 players it should clearly be the 8 on the team who will be part of the future team & not protect guys who are not future players like Ryan, Zaitsev, Nilsson & maybe one of Duclair or C. Brown. That's the reason I think everything gets serious & starts for this team after the expansion draft. And in the meantime they are racking up picks & drafting a ton of prospects.

It's another reason to keep Formenton, Norris & Brannstrom in Belleville a little longer although I think Brannstrom has 3 pro seasons already & might need to be protected. Also not sure about L. Brown & whether he might need to be protected as well.

The Seattle Expansion Draft is a consideration, but the team has multiple holes to fill and the youngsters need to be given the opportunities to show what they have at the NHL level.

 

[guyzeur]

I will try to avoid him by travelling incognito.

Wearing a mask help, I recommend it!

 

[aragorn]

The Seattle Expansion Draft is a consideration, but the team has multiple holes to fill and the youngsters need to be given the opportunities to show what they have at the NHL level.

I think that is what they have been doing right, they bring up a guy, give him a bunch of games, see where he is in his development & either send him to work on his development back in Belleville or keep him up.

Paul & Batherson after a few times up & down from the AHL to the NHL look like they are going to stick. And there have been numerous prospects with games in the NHL for a look in Balcers, Norris, L. Brown, Formenton, Chlapik, Englund, Lajoie, Hogberg, Brannstrom, Davidsson & Jaros to mention some. I imagine all of these guys will get more games again in the NHL including some of the new prospects. I'm just wondering if they are thinking about the expansion draft & whether they should hold some guys back so they won't need to protect them? Or if that should even be a consideration?

 

[Que]

Wait, you'd offer three 2nd round picks (including the 2nd OA pick in the second round in THIS draft), a 3rd, Wolanin and Batherson?

Batherson is not a B+ prospect... Look how he has been ranked through the years and look how he dominated the AHL in his 2 pro seasons...

For me, guys like Batherson, Norris, Formenton and even Brown are "untouchable" at the moment, not because they are McDavids, but bc that would be selling low before they make their mark in the NHL and gain value (maybe tremendous value). Plus, Ottawa is a team that loves to grow his own talent.

That being said, now way I give Batherson, Wolanin and three 2nd round picks for Sergachev.

Brannstrom would also be regarded like that as well but in that case, you upgrade him with Sergachev so that is why he would be available in that particular trade. I would add on top of Brannstrom but not tons.

Regarding Tychonick, I have not given up on him, but at the moment, there's a lot of guys he will have to pass on the depht chart... He has long ways to go... We'll see how he looks in the AHL first.

I just don’t see many teams willing to move 1sts in this draft, it will be over valued. I’ve seen 1st (NYI pick), 2nd, Brannstrom, + lobbed around so I think the extra 2nd/3rd offsetting the cost difference between prospects and picks is acceptable.

You pull up Ottawa on Capfriendly and there’s a zillion different directions the team could go.

Remember when Erik Karlsson? This offseason is actually our “buckle up” moment.

 

[Xspyrit]

I just don’t see many teams willing to move 1sts in this draft, it will be over valued. I’ve seen 1st (NYI pick), 2nd, Brannstrom, + lobbed around so I think the extra 2nd/3rd offsetting the cost difference between prospects and picks is acceptable.

You pull up Ottawa on Capfriendly and there’s a zillion different directions the team could go.

Remember when Erik Karlsson? This offseason is actually our “buckle up” moment.

As much as I'd like to add Sergachev, 1st (NYI pick), 2nd, Brannstrom is too rich for my liking. I'd pursue another option. Might as well draft Drysdale and go after a "cheaper" young forward.

 

[Neiler]

If we could get Dunn from St Louis by taking one of either Allen or Bozak, that's a move I'd make. Sergachev is just going to cost too much if available.

I don't know if Dunn will be available, but I've seen it suggested around here a few times so you never know.

Chabot, Dunn, Wolanin down the left side makes me happy. And who knows, Allen might actually fit and end up staying.

 

[Crosside]

I read that David Savard could be on the block. He is someone are your interested

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I read that David Savard could be on the block. He is someone are your interested

I would be. Why is he available?

 

[LeProspector]

Don’t worry about the Seattle ED, you’re going to lose a player no matter what so may as well take it on the chin and move along.
I think Vegas saved Ottawa from giving Methot a 3-4 year extension in which they would later regret.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Ahem. Ahheeeemm galchenyuk aaaaahhhhheeemmm sorry guys. Scuse me.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Don’t worry about the Seattle ED, you’re going to lose a player no matter what so may as well take it on the chin and move along.
I think Vegas saved Ottawa from giving Methot a 3-4 year extension in which they would later regret.

Marc Methot was signed until 18-19. He was pretty much out of the league before he was even eligible to sign an extension on that contract. Even if he didn't suffer the same injuries staying in Ottawa, you can clearly follow the patterns and see that they weren't locking down anybody from the previous core. The rebuild was going to start regardless when everybody needed raises.

Look at what Methot was traded for, a 2nd round pick in 2020. This was back in 2017, so we're talking about a 2nd round pick years in advance. While Vegas may have been asking Ottawa for more to make a side deal for Methot, I'd imagine Ottawa probably could have found a way to keep him if they wanted to.

At the end of the day, Vegas taking Methot was convenient for Ottawa. They were going to have to move on from one of Methot or Phaneuf in order to get under their 68 million dollar external cap, and Dorion was also trying to bring in Matt Duchene which would cause further salary complications. It would have probably been more ideal for the Senators to dump Phaneuf and keep Methot, but they were certainly going to have to move on from one of them. They could not move on from Phaneuf because of his NMC and limited trade appeal around the league. Had Vegas pulled a curveball and selected someone on their ELC, I think the Senators would have ended up trading Methot very shortly afterwards.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Ahem. Ahheeeemm galchenyuk aaaaahhhhheeemmm sorry guys. Scuse me.

No one gives a shit about chucky

 

[Burrowsaurus]

No one gives a shit about chucky

I’ll make you give a shit

 

[BondraTime]

No one gives a shit about chucky

Wouldn't take him for free

 

[Xspyrit]

Chris Tierney is 10th in scoring from that 2012 draft... Galchenyuk is 2nd

I think that tells you all you gotta know about that 2012 draft.

There's some good D-men and a few fowards that took time to develop but overall really not great

 

[InTkachukWeTrust]

5th + islanders pick + prospect for Eichel

walk away from the draft with Eichel and Byfield/Stutzle

 

[danielpalfredsson]

5th + islanders pick + prospect for Eichel

walk away from the draft with Eichel and Byfield/Stutzle

If they are trading Eichel, they should probably ask for 3+5 as a starting point.

Who is our top prospect? Brannstrom or Norris? So in a best case scenario, what you're proposing is 5+13+Brannstrom or Norris. I don't think that comes close to getting it done.

I think it is really unrealistic they'd trade Eichel in the first place, but if they did they'd be looking at 3 as one of the pieces because that gets them Byfield or Stutzle to replace their 1C position in the future.

With that said, I believe that when teams trade a player of Eichel's age and status, they usually make a bad trade. So I guess anything is possible...Go back to Seguin, Thornton, Hall, Ryan O'Reilly (COL), etc. Teams who trade those types of players at a young age usually make bad deals, because usually if a team will trade that player, they aren't making the best choices, and for some reason have soured on the player and are motivated to move on. Although, I doubt that is the situation in Buffalo.

 

[Daffy]

5th + islanders pick + prospect for Eichel

walk away from the draft with Eichel and Byfield/Stutzle

Ya no chance Buffalo does that.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

5th + islanders pick + prospect for Eichel

walk away from the draft with Eichel and Byfield/Stutzle

I wouldn't do that.

Buffalo is a prime example of what happens when you have 1 superstar and nothing else. A lot of our prospects project more in the 3rd line, #4-5 D range...which is decent, but we still absolutely need bodies in the top 6 and in the 2-4D. Giving up what we do have in the high end for one piece of the puzzle won't push us ahead as much as you think.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I wouldn't do that.

Buffalo is a prime example of what happens when you have 1 superstar and nothing else. A lot of our prospects project more in the 3rd line, #4-5 D range...which is decent, but we still absolutely need bodies in the top 6 and in the 2-4D. Giving up what we do have in the high end for one piece of the puzzle won't push us ahead as much as you think.

I would easily do that. They would have way more talent than buffalo even after that trade. Eichel + 3rd pick makes us contenders soon

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I’d easily even trade 3rd + NYI 1st + Norris for Eichel.

Tkachuk-Eichel-Raymond
Duclair-Brown-Batherson
Formenton-White-Brown
Paul-Pinto-Hawrlyuk

A top 5-10 23 year old o layer in NHL with 6 years remaining at reasonable cap hit? Lol ya give me that.

Our first powerplay unit:

Tkachuk
Batherson
Eichel Raymond
Chabot


We have 4 second rounders. Package one with Brannstrom and prospect for Serg and we are competing for the cup in 2 years.

Heck, I might even draft Rossi and have killer 1/2 punch with those two. For next decade.

 

[Mosby]

Curious who you guys see as your starting goalie next season? Anderson expected to retire? I know you have Gustavsson and Hogberg but neither is ready for starting duties just yet.