Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals 2019-20 Part 4

[Xspyrit]

are you sure sogaard is part of the karlsson trade?

In the way that the 2nd round pick (Florida's from San Jose) with Pitt's 3rd (acquired in the Brassard trade IIRC) was used to move up and grab Sogaard

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I feel like Demelo feels he deserves more money than Ottawa is willing to offer.

He's been plugged into a top 4 role and probably wants to be paid as such with term whereas Ottawa probably feels he's not truly as valuable as he thinks he is.

Pretty much.

Only problem is that Demelo is right: we need him more than he needs us.

We know how this team handles people who have leverage over them. They get traded.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

are you sure sogaard is part of the karlsson trade?

If we're just looking at what assets Ottawa got from Karlsson, which is what I think he is trying to do, Sogaard is part of the Karlsson trade. But that also means we have to account for 83rd overall being moved out on the other side since that's part of what we gave up to get Sogaard.

 

[Artanis]

Two things stick out:

- How in the world is management still seemingly unsure about what the plan is for Pageau?!

- Our defense sucks: we only have one good dman in Chabot. Trading away Demelo strikes me as stupid; he isn't great but who's going to replace him?

Welcome to being an Ottawa Senators fan. Where we flat out get lied to in town halls hosted by the team! Org is a shit show.

 

[TheDebater]

If DeMelo brings back a second the Karlsson return becomes Tierney, Norris, Balcers, Mads Sogaard, likely top 5 pick in June, 2020 second round pick (Vegas?) and 2021 second round pick (San Jose). Plus a season and a half of solid play from DeMelo. That's a hell of a haul.

The 2020 second round pick from San Jose is a Dallas Stars pick I believe.

 

[Frank8]

17 points in his last 10 games. Kids a rising star and I hope his game translates. I think the team gives him at least a few games at the end of the season as a reward and he might be our answer to #2 center.

He will be our #1 centre.

 

[senators101]

"The Senators could always keep Pageau and make a decision in the off-season without the pressure of the deadline"

Someone should explain to Bruce what a UFA is.

I hope he's getting Pageau and Tierney mixed up.

 

[DJB]

Big Bruce is tossing crap against the wall sounds like.

Dorion isnt even giving him crumbs lol

 

[Six Assets]

Rantanen out for a while. huge loss for Colorado

 

[2CHAINZ]

Rantanen out for a while. huge loss for Colorado

Boedker could fill in no problem

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

17 points in his last 10 games. Kids a rising star and I hope his game translates. I think the team gives him at least a few games at the end of the season as a reward and he might be our answer to #2 center.

And hopefully Byfield becomes our number 1 C answer.

On a real note, though, Norris is putting up numbers at an age that compare to players who have went on to become top liners.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

The book that Dorion totally read and wanted to keep super secret was "The Art of the Deal".

 

[Peptic Balcers]

Big Bruce is tossing crap against the wall sounds like.

Dorion isnt even giving him crumbs lol

that whole article was strange. Like how is the DeMelo extension difficult? He’s not even playing in that big of a role, he’s 4th on the teams defence in TOI. And why does he think that after the trade deadline there is less pressure to get a deal done for pageau? There’s still a deadline, it’s his contract expiring.

 

[Peptic Balcers]

The impression I get is that they feel they won't be able to sign Demelo, i.e. he doesn't really want to be part of this organization and the direction they are in. I mean, who blames him really...

He was asked a couple of weeks ago if he was worried about the trade deadline, he said he really likes it in Ottawa and hopes to stay, but they didn’t offer him a contract yet

 

[Sens72]

I find it weird Bruce mentioned that Dorion and DeMelo’s camp aren’t even in the same ball park in terms of a contract. It would be a shame if the Sens are really lowballing him considering how evident his importance to the team is. I would like to believe DeMelo’s agent wants DeMelo to move to a contender and is asking for king’s ransom to stay in Ottawa but who knows at this point.

 

[Johnny Hanson]

I understand that we are lacking in experienced d men but some of you guys are severely overrating demelo. In this new NHL, you need offence from your Defense. The guy is a black hole offensively. He has 7 career NHL goals. This year, no goals and 10 assists, playing a major role on a really bad hockey team. He will not get better then he is right now. If he was willing to sign for a couple years for cheap then sure, why not. But if he really is fancying himself a top 4 d man then trade him. Because he is not one

 

[Peptic Balcers]

The 2020 second round pick from San Jose is a Dallas Stars pick I believe.

correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Vegas got Dallas’s 2nd from trading Methot to Dallas. They then packaged that 2nd with brannstrom for Mark Stone (not part of the Karlsson trade)

they did get Florida’s 2019 2nd from the Karlsson trade though (which was traded up for Sogard)

 

[JD1]

Pageau should return more than Toffoli, especially since we won't be dumping salary (knock on wood)

Toffoli is a vastly superior offensive player

 

[BatherSeason]

I find it weird Bruce mentioned that Dorion and DeMelo’s camp aren’t even in the same ball park in terms of a contract. It would be a shame if the Sens are really lowballing him considering how evident his importance to the team is. I would like to believe DeMelo’s agent wants DeMelo to move to a contender and is asking for king’s ransom to stay in Ottawa but who knows at this point.

It's almost as if they should have started negotiations before the middle of February.

 

[JD1]

The impression I get is that they feel they won't be able to sign Demelo, i.e. he doesn't really want to be part of this organization and the direction they are in. I mean, who blames him really...

He quite clearly has stated he does wish to be here....i think this is more of a term issue

 

[Sweatred]

I find it weird Bruce mentioned that Dorion and DeMelo’s camp aren’t even in the same ball park in terms of a contract. It would be a shame if the Sens are really lowballing him considering how evident his importance to the team is. I would like to believe DeMelo’s agent wants DeMelo to move to a contender and is asking for king’s ransom to stay in Ottawa but who knows at this point.

Demelo wants to get paid as much as possible. That could be as high as 6x$5 type deal.

Ottawa values him as a 5-6 dman who is valuable under $2.5 million who can play up the lineup for a lottery team for a few seasons.

It is hard to see a situation where Demelo would give up a chance for a big pay day in a cold climate with poor taxes and no beeches.

You pretty much have to match or exceed Demelo’s view of the best possible offer from the other 30 teams.

Maybe reality sets in during the summer and the best he can get is $3.3 x 4. It is still better than Ottawa’s current offer (I assume).

It worked out “fine” for Dzingle.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I find it weird Bruce mentioned that Dorion and DeMelo’s camp aren’t even in the same ball park in terms of a contract. It would be a shame if the Sens are really lowballing him considering how evident his importance to the team is. I would like to believe DeMelo’s agent wants DeMelo to move to a contender and is asking for king’s ransom to stay in Ottawa but who knows at this point.

I like the guy but he’s not irreplaceable. He’s a bottom pair guy and we have JBD coming who we won’t want to block.

 

[TheDebater]

correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Vegas got Dallas’s 2nd from trading Methot to Dallas. They then packaged that 2nd with brannstrom for Mark Stone (not part of the Karlsson trade)

they did get Florida’s 2019 2nd from the Karlsson trade though (which was traded up for Sogard)

You are correct, @Silencio was mixing up the two trades (Stone) when he mentioned the Vegas 2nd, which is not technically a Vegas 2nd round pick as the 2020 2nd round pick we acquired along with Brannstrom was as I mentioned already, the Stars pick and not their own 2nd rounder.

However the point stays the same that we did and up with a 1st and two 2nd's from the Karlsson trade along with the other prospects and players.

Good trade.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

i think the rantenen injury takes Colorado out of any pageau sweepstakes. theyre not gonna go all in with two of their top 6 forwards out.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Certainly not the better offensive player which comes at a premium

Pageau has more goals this year... as well as being way better than toffoli defensively