Rumor: Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread: Eberle to Islanders, Anything Else Cooking?

[guymez]

For every stroke of genius there's one of these blunders. Honestly I'd let him handle the trades and have someone else dole out the contracts. Halve that term and we're all good, Chia.

The Strome trade was a blunder. I will wait until this signing happens before I comment too much but I really hope he doesnt compound a bad trade with an even worse signing.

 

[CupofOil]

4 years just screams Andrew Ference or Mark Fayne. Haven't we learned about these deals already?

Yep although Russell is younger but there's a lot of tread on those tires. We will be sick of this contract by the end of this season IMO.

 

[Del Preston]

If you can find me a post by anyone saying Matt Benning was going to make this lineup on opening day, or Chiarelli saying so, I'll buy you a cookie. His being NHL ready was a happy accident. It's naive to think otherwise.

I don't think Chiarelli thought Benning would be as good as he ended up being. However I think they knew he could compete for a spot out of camp due to his talent level and who the competition was (Fayne & Gryba).

 

[North]

Rumor is McDavid will be getting $14 million per. If so, let me be the first to say goodbye to Leon and thanks for the playoff run. Hopefully we can get more than Strome for you, but with Chia doing the trading ... I doubt it.

What? Dreger's rumor that he basically backtracked on right away?

 

[McMozesmadness]

Its a bad contract. I sincerely hope that Chiarelli isnt that desperate/stupid.

This.

I've understood in the past that we were awful and needed to make some bad moves in hopes of icing a competitive team. But now. We should hold all the power. Seems like Chia is buckling to the pressure of his players and other GM's.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Fayne can't skate anymore and wasn't Ference like 3 or 4 years older?

Defensemen decline very quickly and repeated playoff runs will no doubt burn Russell out. ...Assuming we get that far. a 2 year term should be as far as the Oilers are willing to go.

 

[CupofOil]

There is reportedly a good amount of interest already and we know for sure Calgary and Vegas are interested.

I sure don't see a lot of better options in free agency.

Let somebody else take on that anchor of a contract then. You don't give rich long term contracts to 30 year old shot blocking specialists especially when you have two players that are about to get massive raises.

 

[Mr Positive]

Honestly I can deal with the money. It's just the stupid term.

to me the critical thing is if there's a NTC. Dmen like Russell are always tradeable, but only to certain teams. Even a 10 team no-trade list might be too much, if he picks the teams strategically.

As long as there's no NTC, there's very little risk. At worst, we have to incentivize someone to take him. At best, we want to keep him that long. But with a NTC, there may be no way out.

 

[SDig14]

It comes down to whether you even like the player right now. If you didn't like him this year then of course you'll hate the deal.

Based on what we saw this year, can't we just give Quebec a bad prospect and 2nd to take him in 2 years?

 

[North]

The Strome trade was a blunder. I will wait until this signing happens before I comment too much but I really hope he doesnt compound a bad trade with an even worse signing.

It's going to happen.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The Strome trade was a blunder. I will wait until this signing happens before I comment too much but I really hope he doesnt compound a bad trade with an even worse signing.

Oh don't get me wrong it was a complete blunder but sadly I think it was mostly out of his hands because of the contract he was on. If he was making 4 million nobody would be saying a word.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Let somebody else take on that anchor of a contract then. You don't give rich long term contracts to 30 year old shot blocking specialists especially when you have two players that are about to get massive raises.

This is really a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. On the one hand you have a cap anchor and the other hand you're staring at Nurse/Benning as your second pairing...

 

[Weitz]

MacKenzie claiming 4x4 for Russel.

Great ****ing day Chia you clown.

 

[North]

Oh don't get me wrong it was a complete blunder but sadly I think it was mostly out of his hands because of the contract he was on. If he was making 4 million nobody would be saying a word.

That's true.

I really wish there was a second with Strome, but let's be real.

Snow would have asked for something unreasonable for that second.

 

[North]

This is really a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. On the one hand you have a cap anchor and the other hand you're staring at Nurse/Benning as your second pairing...

Imagine the bottom pairing then.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That's true.

I really wish there was a second with Strome, but let's be real.

Snow would have asked for something unreasonable for that second.

The scary thing to consider is that this was probably the best deal he was going to get. I'd really hate to see what the other deals were.

I'm tired of our GM getting lowballed.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Let somebody else take on that anchor of a contract then. You don't give rich long term contracts to 30 year old shot blocking specialists especially when you have two players that are about to get massive raises.

We were a top 10 team with Kris Russell playing top 4 minutes. He's been very healthy with very few major injuries - which what did in Ference.

Finally, Russell will be in the last year of his contract at the same age that Ference was just starting his. It's hardly that big an anchor.

 

[CupofOil]

This is really a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. On the one hand you have a cap anchor and the other hand you're staring at Nurse/Benning as your second pairing...

The right move is to bring in a stopgap while those guys develop enough to earn their spot. This is the worst case scenario, 2nd worst next to giving Alzner a 6+ year deal.
This is Chia's weakness, long term cap management. If he gives Russell a NTC, may god help us.

 

[Del Preston]

What's the rush in signing him? Why not wait until the draft is over in case someone shakes loose?

 

[DrDrai]

Has everyone forgot that we made it as far as we did in the playoffs? With kris Russell amoung others? Ya he has his poor moments like many others, but he is a known to the team and to be frank I was more scared to see nurse and gryba on the ice than him. I have no doubt guys will improve and things will be fine.

No wonder some people would hate playing here, get to the second round game 7 and then look onto the internet to see your fan base whining like gaudreau.

Tommorow we are selecting 22nd overall, 22nd!!!

Just be happy we aren't debating which too pick we should be choosing, our biggest problems are "How much should our awesome duo get", other teams are hoping a basic 3rd line centre can fill in as a first line centre and maybe give them 50pts.

I for one am going to enjoy the time our team isn't at the bottom, and there will be tough choices, unfortunately we won't all agree with them.

 

[Mr Positive]

This is really a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. On the one hand you have a cap anchor and the other hand you're staring at Nurse/Benning as your second pairing...

There is zero risk of us going with a Nurse/Benning 2nd pairing. Zero.

At worst, we make some deals with Vegas to get some of their spare parts. At best, we still have a whole offseason to get more ideal candidates. Chia's not a dumb man. He'll deal with this right.

And letting Russell walk would be a blunder.

 

[Glass Eyes]

What a joke. He learned nothing from his time in Boston. Ridiculous.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The right move is to bring in a stopgap while those guys develop enough to earn their spot. This is the worst case scenario, 2nd worst next to giving Alzner a 6+ year deal.
This is Chia's weakness, long term cap management. If he gives Russell a NTC, may god help us.

I agree entirely. I was really hoping Eberle could pull in an NHL defenseman.

This deal just really makes less and less sense.... We saved on Eberle's cap hit but at least he'd be gone (if not pay cut) in two years.

 

[WaitingForUser]

My guess is 14.8 over 4 for Russell or 3.7 per which is a bit of an overpay but years one and 2 he can allow to move Nurse Benning Bear/Jones along slowly and properly.

 

[guymez]

This.

I've understood in the past that we were awful and needed to make some bad moves in hopes of icing a competitive team. But now. We should hold all the power. Seems like Chia is buckling to the pressure of his players and other GM's.

I have to wait until I see the contract but if he signs Russell to 4 years then he loses credibility IMO.

It's going to happen.

I expect it to happen as well. The question is...whats the term going to be? I am fine with 2 years...anything more is a problem.

Oh don't get me wrong it was a complete blunder but sadly I think it was mostly out of his hands because of the contract he was on. If he was making 4 million nobody would be saying a word.

He didnt need to trade Eberle at this time. His hands were not tied. He choose to take this deal and IMO it was a poor decision.