Trade Rumours and Proposals: Part XXXVII

[WhiteLight*]

So what's the consensus on Mike Cammalleri? would he be a good target at the trade deadline?

No





I don't know why anyone would want to change anything. Sens have been good. It's working. Acquiring old (and injured like Clowe) guys is the last thing the Sens should be doing. All it does it take away ice time from young players who are very effective right now. Cammalleri, Clowe, Morrow, Briere, Jagr, Roy, Iginla, anyone who's been tossed around, they won't make a difference right now.

I love the hard working energetic identity right now. It's awesome. Don't mess it up.

 

[BonkTastic]

No





I don't know why anyone would want to change anything. Sens have been good. It's working. Acquiring old (and injured like Clowe) guys is the last thing the Sens should be doing. All it does it take away ice time from young players who are very effective right now. Cammalleri, Clowe, Morrow, Briere, Jagr, Roy, Iginla, anyone who's been tossed around, they won't make a difference right now.

I love the hard working energetic identity right now. It's awesome. Don't mess it up.

You can argue that to acquire these guys, as rentals, isn't worth the price in assets we would have to send the other way to get them here, and I could get behind that argument...

... but to suggest they wouldn't "make a difference right now" is patently false, and borderline insulting in a guy like Iginla or Jagr's case.

 

[WhiteLight*]

You can argue that to acquire these guys, as rentals, isn't worth the price in assets we would have to send the other way to get them here, and I could get behind that argument...

... but to suggest they wouldn't "make a difference right now" is patently false, and borderline insulting in a guy like Iginla or Jagr's case.

They're not gonna push the Sens an extra playoff round compared to the current team

 

[18Hossa]

NHL refs for the NFL replacement refs. Fair deal or does the nhl have to add?

 

[BonkTastic]

They're not gonna push the Sens an extra playoff round compared to the current team

Iginla and Jagr could, Cammalleri maybe if he was playing at his best (and you're taking a gamble if that's what you're expecting from him), the rest probably not.

Regardless, it still won't be worth the price that Dallas or Calgary will be asking for those guys, so it's a moot point. We're not giving up those kind of assets at the deadline in a year in which we've lost so many guys already (a point I already know you agree with).

 

[Smitty26]

They're not gonna push the Sens an extra playoff round compared to the current team

arent cammalerri and briere noted as playoff performers? under what grounds do you believe they wouldn't push the sens farther into the playoffs? especially with spezz and milo coming back?

 

[arglebargle]

How good of a puck possession player is Cammalleri?

 

[Smitty26]

NHL refs for the NFL replacement refs. Fair deal or does the nhl have to add?

make it a 3 way trade and send alfie to professional soccer. that may make it a fair trade.

 

[Micklebot]

We need to trade for a PP specialist, by which I mean someone who dives a lot and gets us power plays.

Edit: anyone on the habs or bruins available?

 

[Topside]

We need to trade for a PP specialist, by which I mean someone who dives a lot and gets us power plays.

Edit: anyone on the habs or bruins available?

I doubt Chara is available.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

We need a big-bodied fast top 6 forward.

Bobby Ryan/Wheeler/Simmonds

 

[OttawaSenators11]

We need a big-bodied fast top 6 forward.

Bobby Ryan/Wheeler/Simmonds

Clowe seems to be available.

 

[WhiteLight*]

Iginla and Jagr could, Cammalleri maybe if he was playing at his best (and you're taking a gamble if that's what you're expecting from him), the rest probably not.

Regardless, it still won't be worth the price that Dallas or Calgary will be asking for those guys, so it's a moot point. We're not giving up those kind of assets at the deadline in a year in which we've lost so many guys already (a point I already know you agree with).

Not a fan of Iginla at this point. I mean he's 4th on his team in scoring and the defensive effort isn't there sometimes. On a team like Ottawa, I don't think would score much more than Silfverberg will the rest of the season. And that's the guy he bumps out of the top 6.

Jagr... is he a good fit? I don't think he fits in with the 'fast defense' thing.

arent cammalerri and briere noted as playoff performers? under what grounds do you believe they wouldn't push the sens farther into the playoffs? especially with spezz and milo coming back?

Where do they fit? Briere isn't budging any of the centres. Maybe on RW with Zibanejad, but again, does that push the Sens to the next round? Considering Condra's all around game, he'll be just as effective overall.

Cammalleri is a little easier to fit because he's LW. But if MM comes back, where does he fit? The forwards are mostly stud two-way forwards, I don't think Cam or Briere are the types to fit into this playing style.


The compete level from the young guys is great. I'm worried that those old guys will come in, comfortably take a top 6 and not hustle like the rest of the guys. The Sens are a great TEAM. Adding Cammalleri, the players as individuals, on paper, are still bad. The best way to keep winning I think is standing pat. Keep the team mentality and solid defensive effort from everyone. A 'big' acquisition might disrupt it.

 

[BonkTastic]

We need a big-bodied fast top 6 forward.

Bobby Ryan/Wheeler/Simmonds

Clowe seems to be available.

Clowe is a lot of things, but "fast" is not one of them.

 

[WhiteLight*]

If Briere or Cammalleri were here from the start of the season, we could see how they performed in the system. But now they're coming in from teams like Calgary and Philly where good defensive play is unheard of and bad habits are formed. Honestly don't have faith in them coming in here and fitting in, and even if they do, I doubt they make a huge impact.

 

[Topside]

If we're after a rental, I think Michal Handzus would be a good pick up. Seems to fit Maclean's system well.

 

[PatrickEaves]

Can we get Vermette back instead? Please?

 

[Berserker*]

If Briere or Cammalleri were here from the start of the season, we could see how they performed in the system. But now they're coming in from teams like Calgary and Philly where good defensive play is unheard of and bad habits are formed. Honestly don't have faith in them coming in here and fitting in, and even if they do, I doubt they make a huge impact.

So is it just those players that you are opposed to acquiring, or any player from those teams?

For example, if we could acquire one of Voracek, Simmonds or Hartnell from Philly or Glencross from Calgary, would you be opposed to it simply because they are from weak defensive teams?

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

If we're after a rental, I think Michal Handzus would be a good pick up. Seems to fit Maclean's system well.

Uhhhhhhhh........uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

Clowe would be interesting if we can get him for cheap. That's about it. If I'm Murray I don't even trade for Market value for Clowe. I get him on a low trade cost.

 

[Benjamin]

Clowe is a lot of things, but "fast" is not one of them.

hes not a top 6 either.

 

[Smitty26]

Not a fan of Iginla at this point. I mean he's 4th on his team in scoring and the defensive effort isn't there sometimes. On a team like Ottawa, I don't think would score much more than Silfverberg will the rest of the season. And that's the guy he bumps out of the top 6.

Jagr... is he a good fit? I don't think he fits in with the 'fast defense' thing.



Where do they fit? Briere isn't budging any of the centres. Maybe on RW with Zibanejad, but again, does that push the Sens to the next round? Considering Condra's all around game, he'll be just as effective overall.

Cammalleri is a little easier to fit because he's LW. But if MM comes back, where does he fit? The forwards are mostly stud two-way forwards, I don't think Cam or Briere are the types to fit into this playing style.


The compete level from the young guys is great. I'm worried that those old guys will come in, comfortably take a top 6 and not hustle like the rest of the guys. The Sens are a great TEAM. Adding Cammalleri, the players as individuals, on paper, are still bad. The best way to keep winning I think is standing pat. Keep the team mentality and solid defensive effort from everyone. A 'big' acquisition might disrupt it.

they would fit. even if we were to magically acquire both.

Milo-Spezz-Briere
Cammaleri-Turris-Alfie
Silf-Smith-Zib
Condra-OB-Neil
greening
daug

 

[arglebargle]

The way I see it the Senators roster should look like this next year (assuming Lats and Alfie return):

Michalek - Spezza - ???
Latendresse - Turris - Alfredsson
Greening - Zibanejad - Silfverberg
Neil - Smith - Condra
Spares:
Kassian
Regin/O'Brien

Methot - Karlsson
Cowen - ???
Phillips - Wiercioch (both LH but w/e)
Spare:
Benoit/Gryba/Lundin

I think that if we're trying to find guys to fill the ??? slots, dealing any of the non-spare names means we're going to see a fairly significant downgrade to one of our roster spots. Short of a few potential bargain trade targets (which I will list afterwards) I think free agency is probably the best way to fill the empty spots.

Potential FA RW Targets
Alexander Semin
Brad Boyes
David Clarkson
Michael Ryder
Pascal Dupuis
Jaromir Jagr
Jarome Iginla
Horton, Nathan
Pierre-Marc Bouchard

Gonna be honest here: I don't think it's very likely that Jagr or Iginla would sign here, and I think someone will offer Semin and Horton huge contracts. I also think Clarkson takes too many penalties to play on the top line. I'd most like Boyes or Bouchard for this spot, and Dupuis on a 1/2 year deal would be a decent consolation prize.

Potential FA RD Targets (Shoots)
Ian White (R)
Michal Rozsival (R)
Sergei Gonchar
Lubomir Visnovsky
Jordan Leopold
Grant Clitsome
Marek Zidlicky

Out of these guys I'd be most happy with White or Clitsome, and I'd be alright with Gonchar or Visnovsky on short deals.

Here's a list of D-men that might (or might not) be had cheaply, i.e. for some combination of AHL roster players, mid-tier prospects and non 1st round picks: (don't flip out if you don't like one or more of these guys. They're just players who've performed in this role at some point)


Potential RD trade targets
Tom Gilbert (R) (underperforming)
Carlo Colaiacovo (injured a lot)
Keith Ballard (underperforming)
Jay Bouwmeester (underperforming)
Johnny Oduya (underperforming)
Ed Jovanovski (old)

For RW the only guy I can think of that might be had somewhat cheaply is Cammalleri.

 

[Ohhh Franco]

Two guys who are rumored to be available and could make sense are Roy and Cammalleri. They play somewhat similar games, have similar career point totals and point per game averages, their most productive season was quite a few years ago, but both could provide secondary scoring/a bit of talent. Roy is a UFA at seasons end and resigning him could be tough - risky. Cammalleri has one more year at $6M - approx $1M more than what you'd have to give Roy long term to retain him. Say each could be had for a package of prospects (quantiy for quality!), who would you rather?

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Looks like Smith might be out for a bit in Phoenix. Bishop suitor? Rundblad please.

 

[Emerica]

Two guys who are rumored to be available and could make sense are Roy and Cammalleri. They play somewhat similar games, have similar career point totals and point per game averages, their most productive season was quite a few years ago, but both could provide secondary scoring/a bit of talent. Roy is a UFA at seasons end and resigning him could be tough - risky. Cammalleri has one more year at $6M - approx $1M more than what you'd have to give Roy long term to retain him. Say each could be had for a package of prospects (quantiy for quality!), who would you rather?

I'd rather have none of them.

Looks like Smith might be out for a bit in Phoenix. Bishop suitor? Rundblad please.

Michael Stone maybe?